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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.
    Pandering to a base that went 67% for him in 2008 shows that the Obama campaign knows full well that they have serious problems among their own base. I just hope hispanics see through this cynical political stunt.

    Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....
    The only poll worth anything is in November this year. But I will say that a drop from 67% to 49% equals an 18 point drop is significant.

    IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
    Nonsense. False portrayal. Look, Obama had an overwhelming majority for the first two years of his administration. Obama chose to ram through HC, Obama chose to ram through a trillion dollar pay off to his political cronies, Obama chose not to seriously tackle jobs loss, immigration, borders, and a host of other issues that should have come first. And why? because he wanted in place that which had the greatest effect on controlling the population, and "transforming" America out of its place at the top of the world power chain.

    He is a destroyer, and a divider.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Just to follow up on the polling discussion:

    Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

    The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Pandering to a base that went 67% for him in 2008 shows that the Obama campaign knows full well that they have serious problems among their own base. I just hope hispanics see through this cynical political stunt.
    Doing what he said he would do isn't pandering.

    The only poll worth anything is in November this year. But I will say that a drop from 67% to 49% equals an 18 point drop is significant.
    I will say that Americans generally favor the move by a two to one margin, according to the Bloomberg poll.

    Nonsense. False portrayal. Look, Obama had an overwhelming majority for the first two years of his administration. Obama chose to ram through HC, Obama chose to ram through a trillion dollar pay off to his political cronies, Obama chose not to seriously tackle jobs loss, immigration, borders, and a host of other issues that should have come first. And why? because he wanted in place that which had the greatest effect on controlling the population, and "transforming" America out of its place at the top of the world power chain.
    I was talking about the situation now not two years ago. Frankly health care reform and the economy were bigger priorities, and he correctly identified that.

    He is a destroyer, and a divider.
    And that is pure political hackery.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

    The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

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    The reason you ask is that conservatives habitually attack the foundation of polls that don't turn out the way they like.

    I'm sure you can follow the link and find the relevant information.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Doing what he said he would do isn't pandering.

    Start this video from 2011 of Obama speaking to La Raza at 15:50 and then you tell me what has changed?



    I will say that Americans generally favor the move by a two to one margin, according to the Bloomberg poll.
    Again, the question, and make up of participants are everything. You don't tell us that.

    I was talking about the situation now — not two years ago. Frankly health care reform and the economy were bigger priorities, and he correctly identified that.
    Nonsense, HC was not bigger than the economy. Obama has failed.

    And that is pure political hackery.
    Look at his campaign Adam. He is doing nothing now but pandering, dividing, and name calling...That is the true hackery.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's? [...]
    . . . . . . denial is never a pretty thing

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Just to follow up on the polling discussion:
    Wow. I figured it was going to be another 45/45 split, with the rest being undecided. This margin is almost 2-to-1!

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Of those polled, do you have the breakdown? how many demo's v. cons. v. indy's?

    The reason I ask is that you can get a poll to say whatever you want it to based on the question asked, and how the poll is weighted in terms of ideology.

    j-mac
    Pretty sure the article answers that question.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The reason you ask is that conservatives habitually attack the foundation of polls that don't turn out the way they like.
    You state it as though it is a phenomenon unique to Conservatives.

    C'mon.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You state it as though it is a phenomenon unique to Conservatives.

    C'mon.
    Not unique, but certainly more prevalent.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Not unique, but certainly more prevalent.

    Here is a poll for you

    Poll: Majority of Florida voters support purge

    The survey of 1,697 Florida voters by Quinnipiac University showed 60 percent in favor and 35 percent opposed to the governor's attempts. Five percent didn't have an opinion. The margin of error in a snapshot of voters' views taken between June 12 and June 18 was plus or minus 2.4 percentage points.

    "Gov. Scott may be a lot less popular in Florida these days than President Barack Obama, but on the face-off between the two on the purge issue, Floridians seem to be solidly in Scott's corner," pollster Peter Brown said Wednesday. "Whether this voter purge becomes a big deal issue in the campaign or not is not clear at this point."

    A similar majority, 56 percent, also supported the state's "stand your ground" law that allows citizens to defend themselves with deadly force if they feel threatened. Thirty-seven percent said they oppose the law.

    read more: Poll: Majority of Florida voters support purge | www.wdbo.com

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