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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It was the right thing to do, and a smart move politically. If that's getting frantic then I'd like to see more of it.
    Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice. And believe it or not, polls on it are running well against Obama.

    FYI, in another Forum, I took your position. Your position mirrors Rubio's. My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of. And he is getting slaughtered in the polls on it. Like 75-25.

    As part of a larger solution, I do agree. Let these kids stay. Absolutely.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice. And believe it or not, polls on it are running well against Obama.

    FYI, in another Forum, I took your position. Your position mirrors Rubio's. My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of. And he is getting slaughtered in the polls on it. Like 75-25.

    As part of a larger solution, I do agree. Let these kids stay. Absolutely.
    You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.

    Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....

    IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Well, from the prism presented by the poster that I quoted, that voting block was already secure. So the political advantage would seem a smaller potential slice.
    Well, first of all, it doesn't just rally hispanics. It also rallies people with a strong sense of morality and/or common sense.

    But, the Hispanics are securely non-Republican, they aren't necessarily super amped up about the Democrats. Turnout is just as important as the percentage of a group that you get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    My huge problem with it, and which Rubio also has laid out, is that Obama has ignored a comprehensive solution, which such as this mini-dream-act would be a part of.
    How is Rubio's half-assed mini-dream-act "part of" a comprehensive solution? It's a tiny bone he is trying to throw to Hispanics that his own party refuses to accept. The Democrats have been pushing for a comprehensive solution for a decade or more, but the Republicans shut them down at every turn. You know that.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Teamo. Don't "piss on my leg and tell me its raining". The Dems haven't pushed for anything comprehensive. Step one is to secure the border, which is poison to libs.

    Yes, Rubio has taken a position that many in the GOP will not easily embrace. But many in the GOP do want a real solution. It is Obama who does not. It is Obama who has sued AZ and AL. It is Obama who wants to divide America.

    Obama is not about solutions. Maybe you can sell that crap to some flunkie. But as you know, I run circles around libs.

    Easily.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    btw, in case you missed it, Rubio announced that he's abandoning his effort to pass the watered down DREAM Act. Apparently this was a political ploy intended to show that Obama's policy was a political ploy. Oy.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Teamo. Don't "piss on my leg and tell me its raining". The Dems haven't pushed for anything comprehensive. Step one is to secure the border, which is poison to libs.
    No, the libs want to secure the border too. But here is the catch. We can't do it first. If we did border security first then the Republicans would screw us and block fixes for the folks who are already here. We need to do it all at once in one bill. We can get some Republicans on board with border security stuff that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    It is Obama who wants to divide America.
    Oh come on. What are we in junior high? Just blurting out moronic slogans is a waste of your time. It just makes you look dumb like those people who scream "socialism" all the time.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You realize that there is no Latino "voting block", right? I mean, they don't vote 100% for Obama or 100% for Romney. Obama had a sizable lead among Latinos and this should increase that lead.

    Do you have a link to the poll you referenced? All I've seen is: "Polling firm Latino Decisions and advocacy group America's Voice found that 49 percent of Latino voters in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and Virginia are more enthusiastic about the president after his directive"....

    IMO, Obama has not attempted a comprehensive solution because he knows that it would be a nonstarter in the House. Let's face it -- Bush, a Republican president -- couldn't garner Repblican support for immigration reform, and that was when the Republicans in Congress were less extreme than they are now. Now, Republicans in the House would reject an Obama bill to establish a national holiday for Ronald Reagan.
    It is late, and I have a busy day tomorrrow. I did look at a poll in CA yesterday that had Obama's EO behind by 80%. Regardless, more will surface in coming days, and the proof, yay or nay, will be in his overall ratings.

    Bush did not lead on many things. He was in fact a failure as a leader on many things. You can quote me.

    Since you mention Reagan, I believe we would both agree that he led on Immigration. He got a considerable amnesty bill passed. And he was the last President to do so. Blame whomever you want since, but Reagan at least showed that it could be done.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    btw, in case you missed it, Rubio announced that he's abandoning his effort to pass the watered down DREAM Act. Apparently this was a political ploy intended to show that Obama's policy was a political ploy. Oy.
    Its not going to happen before the election. Hopefully the next Congress, with leadership from POTUS, gets Immigration done. A pox on whomever if they do not.

    Out.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Liberal Democrats will always have a problem purging their voter base of illegals aliens and dead people
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    That was an opinion, feel free to give yours or better yet prove me wrong.
    This statement is an opinion.

    I'll rep your reply if you can correctly point out the irony in the above sentence.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Just to follow up on the polling discussion:

    Obama Immigration Policy Favored 2-To-1 By Likely Voters

    – Sixty-four percent of Americans “agree with President Obama’s decision to end the deportations of some illegal immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, while thirty percent say they disagreed,” a new Bloomberg poll finds.

    Obama Immigration Policy Favored 2-to-1 by Likely Voters - Bloomberg
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