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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Did you read it? 1,100 people were wrongly purged. You don't think that's a problem? Maybe even 11-20 times higher doesn't strike you as wrong?

    It says that people in this purge shouldn't be purged. Which is what us "libs" have been saying is the problem. You don't seem to have a problem with American citizens being wrongly disenfranchised, why is that?
    Especially when the election in question was decided by some 500+ votes.

    So the margin of victory was within the purges margin of error.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So the numbers are all over the map, and for a reason if you ask me....Look at team's number of 100K....My Goodness. How can any of you libs/progressives/socialists be taken seriously when the lies are so easy to see?
    Dude. Seriously? You still are going to pretend that politifact said something different than I did. No way you're that stupid. I said that they removed around 100,000 names total. Your source said "more than 50,000" names were removed. 1,100 is the number of people that the counties did in fact agree to remove who subsequently came in and proved that they were not felons. Get the difference?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    So then no one was disenfranchised.

    Whats the uproar about again?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    So then no one was disenfranchised.

    Whats the uproar about again?
    Depends on how you define "disenfranchise". If you define it strictly, as in, someone who was qualified to vote was flat-out denied the ability to vote, then no, it doesn't happen often. But if you condider the chilling effect these sorts of measures have on ACTUAL voting, then yes, it's a real problem. The more difficult you make something to do, the less participation you will get.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Depends on how you define "disenfranchise". If you define it strictly, as in, someone who was qualified to vote was flat-out denied the ability to vote, then no, it doesn't happen often. But if you condider the chilling effect these sorts of measures have on ACTUAL voting, then yes, it's a real problem. The more difficult you make something to do, the less participation you will get.
    I am not really too concerned about what people can make of it, like this nefarious chilling effects.

    I have to go in and register my car every year. It doesn't have a chilling effect on me driving.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I am not really too concerned about what people can make of it, like this nefarious chilling effects.

    I have to go in and register my car every year. It doesn't have a chilling effect on me driving.
    Sure, because driving is essential in your day to day life. Apples and oranges.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Depends on how you define "disenfranchise". If you define it strictly, as in, someone who was qualified to vote was flat-out denied the ability to vote, then no, it doesn't happen often. But if you condider the chilling effect these sorts of measures have on ACTUAL voting, then yes, it's a real problem. The more difficult you make something to do, the less participation you will get.
    That is not a bad thing. To limit voting to those that are citizens, of legal voting age, are CURRENT residents of the state/district and to allow any citizen to vote only once and only as themselves in a given election is a good thing. The SAME valid, state issued, photo ID is NOW required to buy alcohol, tobacco, firearms, ammo, fishing/hunting permits, cash lotto tickets/checks and to access many public assistance benefits. Is it not AMAZING that no such outcry exists against these other, very common, logical requirements for use of that same level of personal identification?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Sure, because driving is essential in your day to day life. Apples and oranges.
    But it is not essential to my day to day life.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is not a bad thing. To limit voting to those that are citizens, of legal voting age, are CURRENT residents of the state/district and to allow any citizen to vote only once and only as themselves in a given election is a good thing. The SAME valid, state issued, photo ID is NOW used to buy alcohol, tobacco, firearms, ammo, fishing/hunting permits, cash lotto tickets/checks and to access many public assistance benefits. Is it not AMAZING that no such outcry exists against these other, very common, logical requirements for use of that same level of personal identification?
    Those are all essential for day to day life though.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Did you read it? 1,100 people were wrongly purged. You don't think that's a problem? Maybe even 11-20 times higher doesn't strike you as wrong?

    It says that people in this purge shouldn't be purged. Which is what us "libs" have been saying is the problem. You don't seem to have a problem with American citizens being wrongly disenfranchised, why is that?

    Not my position at all...If you are eligible to vote in the US, then you should be allowed to cast a ballot. However, before anyone can get down to a serious discussion on the problem, then we have to dispense with the misinformation like what team was putting out there.

    Trouble is, that if the liberals can deflect the issue by turning it into a name calling, side issue, then they take the focus off what they want to protect, and that is clearly people not able to vote here, voting.

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