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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I dunno dude. Just re-read the articles I guess. Read them both. Google it and read other stuff on it. If you still don't understand, try to come back with specific questions and I'll see if I can help.



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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We back to Bush v. Gore AGAIN!! Jeez, this crap just doesn't seem to go away. So for the millionth time, here is my opinion on Bush v. Gore:

    Did Bush cheat? Of course he did, but only after Gore cheated first. That's right. Gore was a cheater. Bush was just a better cheater, and that really, really miffed the Gore camp. LOL.
    It's not about Bush v. Gore. Or at least that isn't why it is relevant right now. The reason it matters right now is because Florida Republicans are trying to do it again.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    It's not about Bush v. Gore. Or at least that isn't why it is relevant right now. The reason it matters right now is because Florida Republicans are trying to do it again.
    Correction: A FEW Republicans are trying to do it, but every one of the Republican registrars of voters in the State of Florida are refusing to go along with it. Republicans are not all evil. Most of them are decent.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Correction: A FEW Republicans are trying to do it, but every one of the Republican registrars of voters in the State of Florida are refusing to go along with it. Republicans are not all evil. Most of them are decent.
    Its not complicated. The State filed suit against DoHS. The US DoJ filed suit against Florida. That means "stop and wait". We have quotes from those most critical of the errors in the State list also being very critical of the Obama Administration, and the DoHS, for not providing the citizenship lists.

    The Registrars are waiting out the lawsuits ...... DUH !

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We back to Bush v. Gore AGAIN!! Jeez, this crap just doesn't seem to go away. So for the millionth time, here is my opinion on Bush v. Gore:

    Did Bush cheat? Of course he did, but only after Gore cheated first. That's right. Gore was a cheater. Bush was just a better cheater, and that really, really miffed the Gore camp. LOL.
    Gore cheated. And spit on our soldiers, as Democrats do when they think no one is looking.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    And this has what to do with this thread? This only means we apply the law reasonably not that we completely ignore a law because we might be wrong once. Adams is expressing a sentiment not suggesting that we don't investigate wrong doing.
    But he's a god Founding Father! Therefore anything he says is true and right and must be listened to!

    In all seriousness, that comment is HIGHLY relevant here. If you're going to deify the Founding Fathers, you can't just pick and choose what they said. You know, kind of like how conservative Christians pick and choose what parts of the Bible they preach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    This is not a court of law here. It is an administrative procedure.

    And this is being done with plenty of time to have it handled administratively prior to the election. Heck, if you are one of the individuals, you just fill out the little form and mail it back to them. There, ain't that simple!
    Neat. While we're at it, let's mail a bunch of traffic tickets out to people. All they have to do is come to come to court and contest it, and the charges may be dropped. Maybe.

    I thought the Tea Party was all about freedom. I must have missed the "Whites Only" sign they slapped on that freedom.

    I just don't get this entire thing. The state has a question about eligability, so mails the person a form saying they need to write back or they may loose their voting privlidge. They are not removing it, and they are giving the individual ample time to clear this up before the election.

    This is only a big deal because one of the parties think it is a big deal. They are not threatening to notify the INS, they are not threatening to arrest the people (even if they did violate Federal laws), the worst they can do is suspend their voting privlidges until it is cleared up.

    So what is the big freaking deal here? Is it so much freaking work to take the letter, fill it out, and send it back? Are we becomming so lazy that being asked to verify who you are (because it certainly is not done when they accept your registration card) is now being pushed as a return to Jim Crowe.
    Let's see, shall we play this game? Hmm...to play or not...to post facts or not...facts. They'll just get dismissed, because in The Land of the Far Right, facts aren't as important as ideology. It really doesn't matter to them that REPUBLICAN election officials are standing up to their corrupt governor...nah, they must be defecting or something. Elected officials acting impartially? What the heck are they trying to do, have a fair election??

    But, okay. Maybe I'm wrong. Isn't voter fraud alarmingly common? Take the case of the Missouri and Kansas elections in 2000 and 2002, when hundreds of people were known to have crossed state lines and vote twice. ...wait, only 0.0003% of voters actually did this. But Georgia! 5,412 dead people voted in Georgia in 2000...uh, actually 5,411 were alive and well. And remember the year 2000, when all those "felons" were purged? Well at least they caught 5,643 of them in the process...actually, a bunch of those were wrong, too. Washington state! OK there's a liberal bastion that surely loves voter fraud. Heck, they let 1,668 illegal immigrants vote in 2005...oh wait, no they didn't.

    And I could go on and on. Contrary to popular mythology, voter fraud is EXTREMELY rare. But these are facts that I have used to make my case. I do not expect facts to go over very well.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    How about ignoring our statement, and verifying yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Yeah. Florida Republicans just accidentally purged tens of thousands of minorities from the voting registrar for no reason. Aw shucks! Well mistakes happen, eh?
    Come on, "tens of thousands"? What, 20,000 voters purges? 30,000 voters purged?

    Got a single verifyable reference for those numbers?

    In 2000 the rolls were purged, 65,776 were removed. 57,746 were convicted felons, 8,000 were erroneous. And those were collected and purged at the instruction of the Florida Secretary of State.

    You may have heard of her, Katherine Harris, a Democrat.

    So there is the result of one purge. Got any facts to back up your claim?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How about ignoring our statement, and verifying yours?



    Come on, "tens of thousands"? What, 20,000 voters purges? 30,000 voters purged?

    Got a single verifyable reference for those numbers?

    In 2000 the rolls were purged, 65,776 were removed. 57,746 were convicted felons, 8,000 were erroneous. And those were collected and purged at the instruction of the Florida Secretary of State.

    You may have heard of her, Katherine Harris, a Democrat.

    So there is the result of one purge. Got any facts to back up your claim?
    Katherine Harris a Democrat?!

    Harris makes Bachman look like a bleeding heart liberal. And sane.

    Speaking of absurd twists:

    When Florida Gov. Rick Scott went to vote in 2006, was surprised to hear that, all evidence to the contrary, he was dead, according to a report.

    The Republican governor was told the voter rolls listed him as dead, and therefore he wasn’t eligible to cast a ballot, the Miami Herald reported Friday.


    Read more: Florida said Gov. Rick Scott was dead voter, says report - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    How about ignoring our statement, and verifying yours?
    I posted the links pages ago already. It's stunning to me that you were not already aware of this incident. How can that be? It was a massive news story for a long time on all legitimate news sources. You must be getting your news exclusively from some extraordinarily distorted sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Katherine Harris, a Democrat
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Actually, most of us are trying to insrtruct you in things like logic and cognitive thinking.

    And we seem to be failing badly.
    Hmm. Should I pull a Mitt Romney and delete the first sentence, leaving only the second?
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