Last edited by Karl; 06-14-12 at 03:43 PM.
“And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822
But then we show where this same Left has absolutely endorsed both disenfranchising of such as the military vote, while asking for the bending of rules to accomodate liberal precincts and counties. These last two points are fact, as demonstrated.
You also apparently do not know what "ad-hominem" means.
Given his history in the private sector I'm sure he knows the drill
Read 'em and weep:
According to legal experts cited above, the "purges" that are applicable in the law have to do wth such as residency. Presumably, this is because folks can't always re-register in a new location quickly, and need the option for an absentee ballot with their prior address. But to purge based on citizenship ineligibility is seen as being always allowed.The Justice Department’s top voting rights lawyer, T. Christian Herren, said last week that Florida’s voter-purge effort violated NVRA because it fell within 90 days of a federal election.
Detzner argues Herren misread the law, which only applies to purges of once-eligible citizens who become ineligible through criminal conviction, death or mental incompetence. The 90-day purge-ban, which has barely been litigated, largely applies to efforts to remove voters who have moved — not voters who were ineligible in the first place, Detzner said.
“DOJ’s reading of the NVRA would grant greater protection against removal from the voter rolls to non-citizens — who were never eligible to vote — than to other categories of registered voters,” Detzner wrote. “Such a result is plainly contrary to the NVRA’s express purpose of “ensur[ing] that accurate and current voter registration rolls are maintained.”
If the state followed the federal demand, Detzner wrote, then it would help unlawful voters cast ballots. And that could cancel out the ballots cast by lawful voters and would therefore violate the U.S. Constitution, Detzner said.
“If the effect of the NVRA is to force a state to allow never-eligible non-citizens the opportunity to vote,” he wrote, “then the statute might violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution, which guarantees that the right to vote cannot be denied by a dilution of the weight of a citizen’s vote.”
And if that happens, Detzner said, citizen groups would sue.
“Presumably eligible voters in Florida have the right to bring a lawsuit in federal court to test whether their votes are being unconstitutionally denied by the federal government,” he wrote.
As for the Voting Rights Act claim, Detzner wrote, Florida already received federal permission to remove noncitizens, which is clearly spelled out in Florida law.
What’s more, the Voting Rights Act applies to only five Florida counties — Monroe, Hillsborough, Collier, Hardee and Hendry — and not the other 62 in Florida, including Miami-Dade, where about 1,600 of the 2,700 potential noncitizens were initially identified by the state in a database created by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.
It’s unclear if the Voting Rights Act requires the state to receive federal permission for the way in which he sought to identify noncitizens, by checking voter rolls with a motor-vehicle database that doesn’t have up-to-date citizenship information.
Detzner’s reasoning closely tracks an analysis by a former DOJ official, Hans von Spakovsky of the conservative Heritage Foundation, who arrived at the same conclusions.
Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel, who has been critical of the state’s handling of the database, said the federal government needs to explain why the Homeland Security database can’t be used to verify the status of voters.
"That’s a real question that needs to be answered," Ertel said.
DHS won’t comment.
Florida Gov. Scott says voter purge is legal, DOJ is wrong | McClatchy
"Pwned" .... my ass.
Last edited by Eighty Deuce; 06-14-12 at 05:20 PM.
Too bad if that runs afoul of the plans to kick eligible Democrats off the rolls at the last minute.
Yes, pwned. Yet again, since nothing in the text of the law supports your claim. Secondly, inaccurate claims of non-citizenship by the state has exceeded accurate claims by a factor of 4,000% (400 vs 10). This alone should render the purge flawed and, therefore, illegal... as if it were not already illegal due to the expired 90 day deadline.42 USC § 1973gg–6(c)(2)(A) A State shall complete, not later than 90 days prior to the date of a primary or general election for Federal office, any program the purpose of which is to systematically remove the names of ineligible voters from the official lists of eligible voters.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (B) Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to preclude—
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (i) the removal of names from official lists of voters on a basis described in paragraph (3)(A) [names removed at the request of the registrant;] or (B) [names removed as provided by State law, by reason of criminal conviction or mental incapacity;] or (4)(A) [names removed the death of the registrant;] of subsection (a) of this section; or
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(ii) correction of registration records pursuant to this subchapter. [this blanket exception could mean just about anything; a court would have to render an interpretation]
42 USC § 1973gg [text in brackets is that of the poster, either quoting other sections or, in the one last case, offering an opinion]
Last edited by Karl; 06-14-12 at 06:16 PM.
He doesnt have to be "independent". He simply has to be within the law. Because you are certainly more of an expert than a Secretary of State :PDetzner is not a "legal expert"; he is the Florida Secretary of State, and therefore hardly an reliable independent source on the legality of what he is trying to do. Yes, pwned. Again.
Talk about shooting your credibility.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. - John Stuart Mill
How ****ing stupid !!!!!! How retarded !!!