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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.
    "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly - YouTube

    This is the video that started it all. But apparently this is not illegal. I guess it is perfectly acceptable to have racists stand in front of a polling place with clubs and intimidate members of other races.

    My, how we have come full circle here. First the Klukkers, now the Black Panthers.

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    As for corruption, and which political persuasion believes that only winning matters ... I need not consider your absurd Boss Tweed analogy. Hell No .... I only need look to Al Gore trying to surpress the Military abentee ballot in FL in 2000.
    Sure enough did.

    Military Absentee Ballot Flap

    In the counting of the ballots in Florida, the handling of the absentee ballots from military personnel overseas became a critical issue because it might well determine whether Al Gore or George W. Bush would be our next president. We were pleased to see that in this case the liberal as well as the conservative media reported that the Democrats had launched a concerted effort to get as many of these ballots as possible thrown out.

    Senator Lieberman, who appeared on five Sunday talk shows on November 19th was pressed to explain this. The Democrats were insisting that hand counting the ballots in four Democratic counties was required to insure that no ballots were rejected on technicalities if the intention of the voter was clear, but at the time they were insisting that ballots sent by servicemen overseas should be rejected if they lacked a postmark. Lieberman, who is supposed to be the moral pillar of the Democrats, waffled. He agreed that there should be no discrimination against military personnel, but he said it was not up to him to decide what to do about it.

    Two days later, the Washington Times reported in a front-page story that in Duvall County, Democrats battled for 19 hours to maximize the rejection of military absentee ballots and succeeded in disqualifying ten percent of them. That included one where a Navy officer had written on the envelope that he could not get it postmarked on the ship he was on.


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    We are going to compel legal voting as best we can down here. Gonna clean things up. To Democrats, "Oh the Horror"
    To me, I honestly think this is just another case of out of control political bickering. Because if the ones tossing out questionable voters were Democrats, we would probably have Republicans doing the same thing, but more quietly on a lesser scale.

    I personally am sick to death of thise endless partaisan political bickering.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    One of our gods Founding Fathers had something to say about guilty-until-proven-innocent.
    This is not a court of law here. It is an administrative procedure.

    And this is being done with plenty of time to have it handled administratively prior to the election. Heck, if you are one of the individuals, you just fill out the little form and mail it back to them. There, ain't that simple!

    I just don't get this entire thing. The state has a question about eligability, so mails the person a form saying they need to write back or they may loose their voting privlidge. They are not removing it, and they are giving the individual ample time to clear this up before the election.

    This is only a big deal because one of the parties think it is a big deal. They are not threatening to notify the INS, they are not threatening to arrest the people (even if they did violate Federal laws), the worst they can do is suspend their voting privlidges until it is cleared up.

    So what is the big freaking deal here? Is it so much freaking work to take the letter, fill it out, and send it back? Are we becomming so lazy that being asked to verify who you are (because it certainly is not done when they accept your registration card) is now being pushed as a return to Jim Crowe.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Oh please. In the 2008 elections, the "New Black Panther Party" was like three people. No, they shouldn't be standing outside polling stations with clubs, but let's not act like this was some sort of massive voter suppression effort. (sorry, polling station. singular. best I can tell, it was two guys at one location and.. that's it)

    Because I can just as easily point at a Republican campaign manager who was convicted of voter suppression via robocalls. Hah, proof, Republicans steal every election they win! La la la I can't hear you!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh please. In the 2008 elections, the "New Black Panther Party" was like three people. No, they shouldn't be standing outside polling stations with clubs, but let's not act like this was some sort of massive voter suppression effort. (sorry, polling station. singular. best I can tell, it was two guys at one location and.. that's it)
    So voter suppression is only valid if it occurs on a wide scale with hundreds of people according to you. Single acts with one or two people threatening others is a-ok in your opinion. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because I can just as easily point at a Republican campaign manager who was convicted of voter suppression via robocalls. Hah, proof, Republicans steal every election they win! La la la I can't hear you!
    As he should have been. Now I wonder why HIS case was tried and he was convicted and the NBPP wasn't....

    Huh... so the Republican guy who got convicted should have been no big deal to you.....
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh please. In the 2008 elections, the "New Black Panther Party" was like three people. No, they shouldn't be standing outside polling stations with clubs, but let's not act like this was some sort of massive voter suppression effort. (sorry, polling station. singular. best I can tell, it was two guys at one location and.. that's it)
    Guys with clubs, in which no charges were filed and the Department of Justice has refused to investigate.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs [...]
    One club, and there yet another example of the absolute inability of the right to present the facts without embellishment.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Guys with clubs, in which no charges were filed and the Department of Justice has refused to investigate.
    Falsehood. On two levels. More to come, below:

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    If you want to know the truth, read here:

    LAW REVIEW 109

    And if you want to continue to post false information, where ignorance is your excuse, then don't read.
    Falsehood. Repeated falsehood. The votes were challenged on technical issues, which your own biased link admits (but you have to dig to the footnotes to find it):

    6 "The flawed ballots included ballots without postmarks, ballots postmarked after the election, ballots without witness signatures, ballots mailed from towns and cities within the United States and even ballots from voters who voted twice. All would have been disqualified had the state's election laws been strictly enforced." David Barstow & Don Van Natta Jr., "How Bush Took Florida: Mining the Overseas Absentee Vote", N.Y. Times, July 15, 2001, available at http://query.nytimes.com/search/advanced.
    10 According to Congresspersons Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Ellen O. Tauscher (D-Calif.): Military voters witnessed their right to vote challenged because of disorder in our voting system. At the heart of the confusion was the troubling news that more than 1,500 military and overseas ballots were not counted. This fact, along with a history of voting irregularities throughout the country, underscores the need to ensure that the voting rights of the military and their families are protected. . . . Military voters should be protected from being disenfranchised because of technical problems that are beyond their control. Reasons for the 1,500-plus military and overseas ballots not being counted in the November 2000 election included postmark discrepancies, missing notarized signatures and confusion about residency requirements. Mac Thornberry & Ellen O. Tauscher, "MOVEing Military Voting into the 21st Century," The Officer, June 2001, at 22.
    So, what is your excuse?

    Edit: A 2001 article on the military ballot controversy: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us...ted=all&src=pm
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Falsehood. Repeated falsehood. The votes were challenged on technical issues, which your own biased link admits (but you have to dig to the footnotes to find it):

    So, what is your excuse?

    Edit: A 2001 article on the military ballot controversy: EXAMINING THE VOTE; Lieberman Put Democrats In Retreat on Military Vote - New York Times
    In a nutshell, on the one hand we had chads being evaluated so as to divine "intent", where they had otherwise been properly disqualified for being improperly punched or marked.

    On the other hand, we had military absentee ballots, many of which were sent from places where there was no MPO (military post office) from which they could obtain the postmark expected of normal domestic mail. As noted in an earlier post, if you would read, one such ballot even had a hand-written note on it by the offiicer who filled it out saying "I cannot get it postmarked on my ship". And his ballot was rejected at the urging of Duval County Democrats.

    For all the Democrat hypocrites, its this BS two-faced crap that your post so amply demonstrates. And the circumstance we have with Gore in 2000. FYI, they amended the Federal Title Statutes, in 2008 I believe, so as to make it more difficult for Democrats to disenfranchise our military ever again.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    If you want to know the truth, read here:

    LAW REVIEW 109

    And if you want to continue to post false information, where ignorance is your excuse, then don't read.

    Naughty, naughty - maybe you should read it also and understand that it is a partisan website. yet even with its political leanings it still doesn't say what you are claiming.
    During the Florida debacle, both sides made charges and counter-charges of disenfranchisement. For many military and non-military voters, disenfranchisement occurred because of the use of outdated voting equipment and procedures. When impartial equipment failed and procedures broke down, all means to effect partisan advantage were employed.

    But the real kicker is the following from the linked site; why do I call it a 'kicker'? Because the modern right is constantly harping about local control and how federal intervention is not constitutional and states rights and on and on, yet in this instance they are all for negating a state court decision because the result is what they wanted. - That is called hypocrisy by most.
    The Supreme Court reversed the decision of the Florida Supreme Court on 12 December 2000, effectively handing the presidency to George W. Bush
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