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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let's get real, Republicans do not want, nor have they every wanted broad participation in elections... it just does not favor them.
    Given that, the clear inability of Florida to hold a clean non-FUBARed election, and the general hodge-podge patchwork way elections are held in this country, I think it is high time that the federal government stepped up to the plate and enacted a national blueprint for how elections are held. Some bullet points:

    1. Uniformity of voting method, one which employs paper ballots. No more different voting machines at different areas within the same state. No more electronic machines with no paper trail. Ideally no more electronic machines at all (too many issues, too difficult to use, too many unqualified operators).

    2. States submit their voter registration rolls to the feds for citizenship verification. Eliminates the need or desire, such as we see in Florida, for 50 individual states to be raiding various federal databases at will.

    3. Uniformity of ballot. During a national election all ballots use the exact same style and format. Remember the Florida butterfly ballot -- which almost without question robbed Al Gore of the 2000 election. Sample ballots are published in newspapers nationwide well before an election. Due to complexity in some states (number of issues on ballot), prepare three separate ballots to be cast -- federal, state, local.

    4. One-time registration to vote. Once you are verified, being stricken from the rolls for inactivity (as some states do) is an impediment to voting. As is being stricken because you are likely to vote Democrat If you've moved, but bring updated ID, I can't see any reason that can't be updated on election day. Let's make it easier to vote, not harder.

    5. Depending on privacy issues, a nationwide database of those who voted in an election -- or at least a nationwide crosscheck for use by election officials. This would assuage any fears of multiple votes (which probably don't exist outside a handful of instances, but we have to throw the right a bone ).

    6. Standardized early voting. Whatever is decided, make it uniform across the country, and permanent (Florida keeps diddling with theirs, trying to either restrict voting or confuse voters).
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Trusting Florida Republicans to create integrity in the voting process is like giving all the ballots over to Boss Tweed so he can go through and take out the ones he thinks are suspicious.
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.

    But God forbid a state want to enforce its most basic voter validation laws, in many cases where Dems then want to block even the most simple, the requirement for a picture ID, ........... No ! No ! Can't have that !!

    As for corruption, and which political persuasion believes that only winning matters ... I need not consider your absurd Boss Tweed analogy. Hell No .... I only need look to Al Gore trying to surpress the Military abentee ballot in FL in 2000. .

    We are going to compel legal voting as best we can down here. Gonna clean things up. To Democrats, "Oh the Horror"

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.

    But God forbid a state want to enforce its most basic voter validation laws, in many cases where Dems then want to block even the most simple, the requirement for a picture ID, ........... No ! No ! Can't have that !!

    As for corruption, and which political persuasion believes that only winning matters ... I need not consider your absurd Boss Tweed analogy. Hell No .... I only need look to Al Gore trying to surpress the Military abentee ballot in FL in 2000. .

    We are going to compel legal voting as best we can down here. Gonna clean things up. To Democrats, "Oh the Horror"

    Just a couple of problems with this comment
    There was no "Democrat poll worker" claiming voter intimidation in the Philadelphia voting place.

    Technically, it is the State of Florida, that is attempting to remove voters from the rolls of those eligible to vote, but it is the local officials at the county level who have found the lists provided to them by the State to be filled with inaccuracies. Shouldn't the election supervisors also be considered part of the "state"?

    Another lie from the right, Mr Gore did not try to "surpress(sic)" the absentee ballots from serving military. The right certainly did suppress and prevent eligible voters from voting and did prevent votes from being counted in the aftermath of the 2000 elections.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Just a couple of problems with this comment
    There was no "Democrat poll worker" claiming voter intimidation in the Philadelphia voting place.

    Technically, it is the State of Florida, that is attempting to remove voters from the rolls of those eligible to vote, but it is the local officials at the county level who have found the lists provided to them by the State to be filled with inaccuracies. Shouldn't the election supervisors also be considered part of the "state"?

    Another lie from the right, Mr Gore did not try to "surpress(sic)" the absentee ballots from serving military. The right certainly did suppress and prevent eligible voters from voting and did prevent votes from being counted in the aftermath of the 2000 elections.
    There was the evidence I noted.

    And Gore did.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.

    But God forbid a state want to enforce its most basic voter validation laws, in many cases where Dems then want to block even the most simple, the requirement for a picture ID, ........... No ! No ! Can't have that !!
    I completely agree that a crime was committed by King Samir Shabazz and Jerry Jackson and they should have been prosecuted for it. However, unless you are advocating that "Two wrongs make a right", then I fail to follow your reasoning on why anyone should support political games with our voting system or disenfranchising honest and legal American citizens for political reasons.

    Evidence That New Black Panther Party Did Intimidate Voters

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    ... Another lie from the right, Mr Gore did not try to "surpress(sic)" the absentee ballots from serving military. The right certainly did suppress and prevent eligible voters from voting and did prevent votes from being counted in the aftermath of the 2000 elections.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.

    But God forbid a state want to enforce its most basic voter validation laws, in many cases where Dems then want to block even the most simple, the requirement for a picture ID, ........... No ! No ! Can't have that !!

    As for corruption, and which political persuasion believes that only winning matters ... I need not consider your absurd Boss Tweed analogy. Hell No .... I only need look to Al Gore trying to surpress the Military abentee ballot in FL in 2000. .

    We are going to compel legal voting as best we can down here. Gonna clean things up. To Democrats, "Oh the Horror"
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now why would the Justice Department order a purge of non-citizens to be stopped? A purge like this is a good thing, right? Well, not really. Not if a substantial number of purged voters are actually citizens, and are being added to the purge list because they don't happen to be white Republicans.



    Article is here.
    When they say "flagged" what do they mean? Doesn't sound like they took any voting rights away just identified some people to investigate. So when they sent the list to the elections supervisors they investigated and found some of them were citizens. Sounds like a working system to me. Wow, let's see, what it the possibility that an illegal alien in Florida is going be Hispanic as opposed to white or any other ethnicity? So we're suprised the list contained a lot of Hispanics? It would be very suspicious if the list didn't contain a lot of Hispanics. Targeting is just another word for excusing my voting block from discretion. Same old song and dance. Race/Minoirty card used for cover.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    One of our gods Founding Fathers had something to say about guilty-until-proven-innocent.

    "It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    One of our gods Founding Fathers had something to say about guilty-until-proven-innocent.

    "It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, 'whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection,' and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever."

    John Adams
    2nd President of the United States, 1797-1801
    And this has what to do with this thread? This only means we apply the law reasonably not that we completely ignore a law because we might be wrong once. Adams is expressing a sentiment not suggesting that we don't investigate wrong doing.
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