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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Hey, we can make this really simple, and follow the example of a great many other nations.

    First, everybody gets a special internal passport.

    Then we mandate voting at all elections. And when you vote, you get a stamp in your passport. Fail to vote, go to jail.

    There we go, perfect democracy!

    Then we can even take it a step further! When they stamp your passport, we can put in it what party you vote for! Hey, this would be perfect!

    That way when some pig-dog Republican (and you know they all hate Welfare) tries to apply for some kinf of Federal program like Food Stamps, we can just kick them out, denying them since obviously they are against such programs in the first place.

    There, perfect solution to all the problems. Perfect Democracy, where nobody is denied the right to vote.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yes, but anyway a person wants to slice it, voting is a privilege, if you are not a certain age you cannot vote. As I understand it, if you are convicted of certain crimes etc you cannot vote. If voting is a "Right" then the moment you are born you can vote.
    You are most definitely mistaken and not very well read; please see the 26th amendment to our constitution.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Hey, we can make this really simple, and follow the example of a great many other nations.

    First, everybody gets a special internal passport.

    Then we mandate voting at all elections. And when you vote, you get a stamp in your passport. Fail to vote, go to jail.

    There we go, perfect democracy!

    Then we can even take it a step further! When they stamp your passport, we can put in it what party you vote for! Hey, this would be perfect!

    That way when some pig-dog Republican (and you know they all hate Welfare) tries to apply for some kinf of Federal program like Food Stamps, we can just kick them out, denying them since obviously they are against such programs in the first place.

    There, perfect solution to all the problems. Perfect Democracy, where nobody is denied the right to vote.
    I sincerely hope that you forget this bad dream, when you wake up. ;-)
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    At the end of the day there is no reason to question the integrity of our elections. The systems and penalties that have been in place for years are remarkably effective. If anything we should be making it EASIER to vote — not harder. Any attempt to crack down on the minuscule level of fraud that we have is almost certain to do more harm than good ... IF the objective is to have the most representative elections possible.
    I've been saying this for a very long time, but the cons continue their quest to make it as difficult as possible.

    GALVESTON - Volunteer voter registrars are fearful of new laws that impose criminal penalties for improperly filling out voter registration forms or turning them in late, a Galveston County deputy registrar testified Monday.

    Volunteer says Texas voter laws cause fear of prosecution - Houston Chronicle
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I sincerely hope that you forget this bad dream, when you wake up. ;-)
    Actually, I did say that as a form of tongue-in-cheek, but it also has a basis in truth.

    My wife is from Argentina. And she still has her "Internal Passport". And for many years she had to report to the Consolate in oreder to have it stamped to show she was out of the country and did not vote because of that. If she had returned to Argentina without such a stamp, she would have been subject to arrest for failure to vote.

    And the passports for her parents were coded with different stamps, showing what party they voted for. Have the stamp of the wrong party, and you find yourself unable to attend school, unable to get certain jobs, unable to get services like hospitalization and medical care. Her grandfather was a pharmicist who for most of his life skirted the law, giving medical care out of a back room to those who did not have the "right stamps".

    However, does that not sound like a perfect solution? Everybody gets a book confirming they are citizens, no more question of who can vote and who can not. Then making voting mandatory. Everybody votes, perfect democracy.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yes, but anyway a person wants to slice it, voting is a privilege, if you are not a certain age you cannot vote. As I understand it, if you are convicted of certain crimes etc you cannot vote. If voting is a "Right" then the moment you are born you can vote.
    Because there are rules around voting doesn't make it a privilege. It's only a privilege when comparing it to a dictatorship or monarchy or some other totalitarian system. Voting is a right as soon as you are born in the United States, unless that individual does something to revoke that right or is not eligible. It may be that voting is a Right and a privilege.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Voter ID cards here. Unfortunately, they don't have pictures on them and are simply pieces of printed paper. I think we do have to present a picture ID, but I forget. As previously posted at least twice, I firmly support excising those ineligible to vote from the rolls and ensuring that only those eligible to vote are able to do so. Apparently the main disagreement is the willingness by some to disenfranchise American citizens in an effort to capture to ineligible to vote. IMO, this is wrong. Find a better method to clean the roster.


    I've said before that I want every single eligible voter to be able to vote. And I'm sure most that are debating the this thread feel the same.


    But I don't want those that are here illegally to vote. I don't want the dead to vote. And as I posted in a prior post, if the State of Florida sent letter, like those Adam T posted, saying they had a check for $500.00 awaiting them if they had the proper ID, there'd be a run on getting IDs.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    It's in the previously linked articles where legal American citizens had to prove they were eligible to vote. I can't see how any American, regardless of their party or racial orientation, can see how it is a good thing to disenfranchise American citizens then tell them to prove they are eligible to vote. If this happened in Texas, we'd have a Governor hanging in the Capital lobby.
    Yea, Rick Perry would never deny the vote to innocent people. He executes them instead.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I am not interested in a lecture about the electoral college. I know how it works. That's a trivial detail compared to the outrageously absurd comment that you made that takes a massive dump on the very essence of ALL citizens' right to vote. You called voting a PRIVILEGE. My god, how much farther can the Right slide??
    Look. Maybe this is too tough for you to figure out. The Constitution does not anywhere give the individual citizen the right to vote for President. I empowers the electors, as you are aware.

    The point of all of this is that it is up to each State to decide how it decides electors, to include conducting whatever election process it chooses, so long as it does not violate certain laws. However, the point stands, that its the States that must conduct its own elections. The rules for proving oneself, voting procedures, etc., can therefore vary from state to state.

    Florida is trying to restore more integrity to the voting process which is its obligation to establish and manage. And the Federal Governent, rather than assisting with citizenship rolls and data, is choosing instead to hinder Florida. The Obama DoJ wants a leaky voting system.

    Again, for the dense out there, the point of not having a Constitutional right to vote for President was done so as to empower the States with that responsibility to maintain.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, Rick Perry would never deny the vote to innocent people. He executes them instead.
    Yeah, dropping a hellfire via a drone is much kinder and gentle.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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