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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    [...] If they bring the information that makes them eligible, then they don't have to return. They've been notified of the purge, given time to respond and validate their eligibility. There is system in place that they can still cast their vote on election day.
    Ah. This is the part of the debate where you just make stuff up? I think you know what you did here, so I'll just bold it and let it lay there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So what you're saying, someone might get frustrated and say its not worth coming back? If thats the case, they don't take their right to vote seriously and I say say screw em!
    Indeed that is what I am saying, and you said just what you were programmed to say -- which helps Florida (and other Republican-led states) disenfranchise legal voters.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Just a question, I may have missed it, but has anyone proven, other than conjecture, what the political party registrations are for the folks who were notified? We keep hearing most of them were dems, but how do we know that?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Indeed that is what I am saying, and you said just what you were programmed to say -- which helps Florida (and other Republican-led states) disenfranchise legal voters.
    Programmed? What hackish BS. Bottom line there is system in place to GUARANTEE that no one is disenfranchised to vote. NO ONE! If you're eligible and follow the process, then your vote will count. System can take you all the way up to election day and it will still count. Simple as that.

    The right to vote does require some responsibility of the voter. I don't want to see one eligible voter not allowed to vote just as I don't want to see one illegible voter cast a single vote. Without systems to ensure voting eligibility, election integrity is shot to sh!t.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Just a question, I may have missed it, but has anyone proven, other than conjecture, what the political party registrations are for the folks who were notified? We keep hearing most of them were dems, but how do we know that?

    I don't think I've seen any charts/graphs/whatever that has shown "most of them were dems", that were notified. Good question.


    I don't see any problem with a voter ID. We have them in my state. It was sent to me in the mail, I show it when I go to vote, and the system works fine.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I don't think I've seen any charts/graphs/whatever that has shown "most of them were dems", that were notified. Good question.


    I don't see any problem with a voter ID. We have them in my state. It was sent to me in the mail, I show it when I go to vote, and the system works fine.
    As long as the system is free and available to all people, I am all for it.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    As long as the system is free and available to all people, I am all for it.


    I registered to vote and the card was mailed to me. Simple process IMO.

    Now if this is being done in Florida or any other state to stop legal voting, I'd be totally against it.

    I can see why Florida is "jumpy" about the voting process, after the mess they had with the machines and the count. I believe Florida is trying to be proactive and not get caught behind the voting screw up 8 Ball again.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Programmed? What hackish BS. [...]
    Of course programmed. Look back at your own words:

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx, earlier View Post
    [...] So what you're saying, someone might get frustrated and say its not worth coming back? If thats the case, they don't take their right to vote seriously and I say say screw em!
    Do you think a person would come up with that on their own, or do you think they would pick it up from a media drumbeat saying essentially the same thing over and over?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    I don't want to see one eligible voter not allowed to vote [...]
    Sure you do. You just said so above. You don't want to see 'lazy' voters allowed to vote, or at least don't care if they are disenfranchised due to extraordinary requirements (i.e., requirements that are in addition to what the average person has to tolerate).

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    [...] Without systems to ensure voting eligibility, election integrity is shot to sh!t.
    Strawman. There is more than one possible system to ensure voting eligibility; at least I'd hope so, given the inaccuracy in the recent Scott plan.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    At the end of the day there is no reason to question the integrity of our elections. The systems and penalties that have been in place for years are remarkably effective. If anything we should be making it EASIER to vote — not harder. Any attempt to crack down on the minuscule level of fraud that we have is almost certain to do more harm than good ... IF the objective is to have the most representative elections possible.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    [...] IF the objective is to have the most representative elections possible.
    Paul Weyrich, father of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. That's why the GOP is obsessed with voter fraud---only they want to disenfranchise voters because as Weyrich said back in the '80's...the more voters there are---the less of a chance the [right] wingers have in any election.

    Weyrich: "Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome -- good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.


    Paul Weyrich: Goo-Goo Syndrome | Crooks and Liars
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