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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Why are Democrats so scared of an election where only American citizens vote?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Why are Democrats so scared of an election where only American citizens vote?
    They're not. Why are Republicans so scared of an election where ALL Americans can vote?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Both sides seem too partisan to want a completely fair election. In this particular case, my concern isn't bumping off non-eligible voters, in fact I support the idea, but when American citizens are denied their right to vote then I have a cause for concern.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    Both sides seem too partisan to want a completely fair election. In this particular case, my concern isn't bumping off non-eligible voters, in fact I support the idea, but when American citizens are denied their right to vote then I have a cause for concern.
    Then you are on the Democratic side.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Then you are on the Democratic side.
    I'm on the side supporting an American citizen's right to vote. If you are against that idea, whose side are you on?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They're not. Why are Republicans so scared of an election where ALL Americans can vote?
    We like to at least PRETEND to limit voting to citizens, non-felons, adults, the living and residents of the state/district involved. Identification "restrictions" which allow a voter to vote only once and only as themselves, in any single election, are generally agreed upon as "good" too. The nonsense attitude that any attempt at verification of voter identity is "discriminatory" rejects precisely what it is intended to be, yet not on the basis of race, ethnicity, income or any "illegal" basis, simply to ensure that votes are cast and counted fairly, freely and legally. If the problem is no state ID for the poor then GIVE THEM ONE FOR FREE as part of your "get out the vote drives". If no attempt is made to limit "open voting", I may EASILY vote many, many times, as long as I supply the name/address of a registered voter that has yet to vote, on each voting attempt. Surely even YOU can see the "need" for some control.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They're not. Why are Republicans so scared of an election where ALL Americans can vote?
    That's not it and you know it. Nice job bussing non residents into Wisconsin by the way. Walker might have won by 15 if you didn't.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Why are Democrats so scared of an election where only American citizens vote?
    Because it limits the ability to "manufacture" votes. If 20 voters enter the polling place, during the election, yet 30 votes are cast, how can ANYONE, using current voting laws, determine which 10 votes were "manufactured"? If 30 voters (10 are duplicates but using different registered name/address combinations) enter the polling place, during the election, how can ANYONE, using current voting laws, determine which 10 votes were "manufactured"?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So let's assume that they keep going and eventually come up with, say, 10,000 people who *may* not be citizens. The burden is then placed on these folks, most of whom are citizens, to prove their citizenship or be purged from the voter roles. Just picking numbers out of the air, let's say that 500 are elderly, or handicapped, and lack transportation, so they aren't able to contest the finding, but would have voted. Now let's say that there were 50 people who were legitimately non-citizens who would have voted and were purged. Under this scenario, was it still a worthwhile endeavor?
    First, these people have to prove they are citizens because at the time they got their licenses they were not. This isn't some purge of democrats or latinos as it was billed. It is a systematic verification of voting rights based on facts. And this is not a court of law so there is no requirement for the election commission to prove anything. All these voters have to do is send in citizenship proof (which amounts to a number and a photo copy) and it is done. It is not some difficult, time consuming process.

    Second, your hypothetical is not even remotely related to reality and not worth addressing.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Rising Sun View Post
    I'm on the side supporting an American citizen's right to vote. If you are against that idea, whose side are you on?
    The Republican side.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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