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    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    I am assuming you are either ignorant of or blatantly ignoring the Dixiecrat party proof that proves your statement false.
    I'm assuming that you don't know much about the Dixiecrats or you wouldn't be flogging that irrelevant argument.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Would this be the same voter fraud that Democrats are claiming in the Wisconsin recall election ?
    Last I heard a Democrat accused a Republican in Wisconsin of locking all the cemetery gates just before the polls opened...
    No, that would have absolutely nothing to do with an argument about voter impersonation or illegal aliens.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I'm assuming that you don't know much about the Dixiecrats or you wouldn't be flogging that irrelevant argument.
    All I have to say to this is quote Charlie Sheen ... "WINNING!!"
    The question is more important than the answer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    All I have to say to this is quote Charlie Sheen ... "WINNING!!"
    Mkay....

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    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And here is the chart you missed:

    Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
    Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

    Cloture in the Senate:[16]
    Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version:[15]
    Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
    Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[15]
    Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
    Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

    Statistics swing both ways. And it may make you feel better by saying it was a "Southern Thing" if you like. And that was actually a landmark bill, since it was the first Civil Rights bill that most Democrats actually supported. The previous bills all passed normally with the majority of Democrats voting agaisnt them
    The point was that regional affiliation (North-South) was a much stronger determinant of whether a legislator would vote for or against the act, rather than party affiliation, and this is borne out by the data. Look into Simpson's paradox for an explanation. You can play the numbers however you want, but at the time the Republican and Democratic parties were by no means monolithic in ideology, so saying "Well, gee, a higher percentage of republicans voted in favor of the CRA" really doesn't mean much when it comes to drawing conclusions. Splitting the analysis along North-South lines makes a lot more sense given that regional affiliation was much more of a causal factor in whether or not a legislator voted for the act than party affiliation.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    And that is the excuse? 98,000+, but screw it, they do not matter anyways.

    I thought that is what this was all about, making every vote count, not removing the vote from people. Now I guess it is OK to do so, since they do not matter anyways?

    have I stepped into the Twilight Zone here?
    Once again, you missed my point, which from my experience is rather uncharacteristic of you.

    In many cases, races are already decided between two candidates, and no amount of absentee votes is capable of changing the outcome. As you know, absentee ballots are counted AFTER regular votes. These are the situations in which absentee ballots often go uncounted, because it simply doesn't matter as the race has already mathematically been decided no matter how the absentee vote is split.

    Now if military voters are being disenfranchised because of packages that are mailed late or whatever, then yes that's a problem. But that's not what I'm talking about here. Military/overseas absentee ballots often go uncounted not because their votes don't count or because they are actively being disenfranchised, but because the race is wide enough to already have been decided no matter what the absentee vote looks like.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-11-12 at 11:38 AM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Interesting stuff, D. Thanks.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The point was that regional affiliation (North-South) was a much stronger indicator of whether a legislator would vote for or against the act, rather than party affiliation, and this is borne out by the data. Look into Simpson's paradox for an explanation. You can play the numbers however you want, but at the time the Republican and Democratic parties were by no means monolithic in ideology. So splitting the analysis along North-South lines makes a lot more sense given that regional affiliation was much more of a causal factor in whether or not a legislator voted for the act than party affiliation.

    Simpson's paradox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Right, and the further point is that the passage of the civil rights act pushed many souther democrats into the republican party, so that MANY of those Democratics who voted Nay later switched to the Republican side. Prior to the civil rights act the south was solidly democratic. AFTER the civil rights act the balance shifted to the republicans (with many formerly solid southern states voting for Goldwater and Nixon).
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now why would the Justice Department order a purge of non-citizens to be stopped? A purge like this is a good thing, right? Well, not really. Not if a substantial number of purged voters are actually citizens, and are being added to the purge list because they don't happen to be white Republicans.



    Article is here.

    This could be one of two things-

    1. Perhaps Florida needs to revise their methods in which they use to purge illegal voters.Are they verifying SS numbers,addresses,birth certificates and etc?

    2.Race parasites in the justice department are using the fact that Hispanics make up a large portion of illegals in order to falsely claim that Florida is unfairly targeting Hispanics.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Nice try. Now try for some facts. Which Party voted to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, by 15% or more over the other party? I will give you one guess, and it was not the Democrats. Once again, race card fail.
    The 'Confederate' south voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was not a partisan issue.

    The original House version (for/against):
    • Southern Democrats: 787 (793%)
    • Southern Republicans: 010 (0100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 1459 (946%)
    • Northern Republicans: 13824 (8515%)

    The Senate version:
    • Southern Democrats: 120 (595%)
    • Southern Republicans: 01 (0100%)
    • Northern Democrats: 451 (982%)
    • Northern Republicans: 275 (8416%)


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    Partisan card fail (as tired right wing talking points always do)

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