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Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

OpportunityCost said:
He doesnt have to be "independent". He simply has to be within the law. Because you are certainly more of an expert than a Secretary of State :p

Talk about shooting your credibility.
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Given that he is defending himself, he is not in a position to offer a unbiased opinion as to whether he is within the law or not. Using your argument, all accused criminals are innocent because their lawyers say they are.

But wait -- all accused criminals are guilty because the prosecutors say they are.

Oh dear, what is a partisan trying to advance a flawed argument to do? :lamo
 
Oozlefinch said:
This purge is happening more then 90 days after the Florida Primary, and more then 90 days prior to the November General Election.

Next false point, please?
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Quoted for cluelessness :doh
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The Statute supports the legal interpretations that I quoted.
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Only an alternate reality supports your argument on the 90 days. The facts -- the text of the law -- does not agree with you.

Eighty Deuce said:
Further, you think that our Secretary of State, and Governor, have not worked in conjunction with our Attorney General down here, Pam Biondi, and the ample resources of her office, in preparing this ? And you claim that others are "pwned" ?

How ****ing stupid !!!!!! How retarded !!!
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I agree -- that pretty well sums up Florida's position on the matter. Oh wait -- you were trying to insult me, there, weren't you? :lamo
 
Karl said:
Only an alternate reality supports your argument on the 90 days. The facts -- the text of the law -- does not agree with you.


I agree -- that pretty well sums up Florida's position on the matter. Oh wait -- you were trying to insult me, there, weren't you? :lamo
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Well Karl. You were the one that started with all this "pwned" stuff.

And in all candor, that was dumb as ****. And you did it voluntarily.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
New Black Panther Party goons in uniforms and with clubs, in what was reported by a Democrat poll worker "The worst case of voter intimidation that I have ever seen" goes unprosecuted by the DoJ.
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What Florida did with the purge in 2000 is literally tens of thousands of times worse than what those new black panther party doofuses did. Florida prevented tens of thousands of legal voters from voting. That is voter intimidation, election fraud really, on a radically more extreme level. The new black panthers don't appear to have even prevented one person from voting, but Florida prevented tens of thousands. If you think the new black panthers should have been prosecuted, I would think it would only make sense that you would think that the Florida Republicans should have been locked up for multiple consecutive life sentences... But no. They're defrauding the electoral process in favor of your party, so instead you want to pin a medal on them and you want them to do it again.

As for why the new black panthers were not prosecuted, it is because what they did wasn't against the law. In my opinion, it should be. But it isn't. They knew exactly what they were doing. They stood right outside of the perimeter where there are special rules around polling places that are more restrictive. Where they were, just the normal everyday constitutional protections and laws applied. The first and second amendments protect their right to assemble, to express their views, even to hold bats and whatnot. Looking scary isn't a crime.

Also, just so you know, that was only one of about 100 similar cases of voter intimidation around the country. For example, the minutemen in Arizona showed up at about a dozen polling places carrying guns and interogating any Hispanics who tried to vote. Their case was also dismissed by the DOJ for the same reason. The only reason the new black panthers case stands out to you, while you were unaware of the other cases, is because the right wing elements of the media have a Jerry Springeresque fixation with the 100 black supremacists that still actually exist in the country.
 
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teamosil said:
What Florida did with the purge in 2000 is literally tens of thousands of times worse than what those new black panther party doofuses did. Florida prevented tens of thousands of legal voters from voting.............
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Bull**** .....
 
teamosil said:
...Florida prevented tens of thousands of legal voters from voting. That is voter intimidation, election fraud really, on a radically more extreme level...
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So let me get this straight, If a conservative voices a claim of voter fraud, or intimidation, then all we get back is how unprovable it is, and there is none, or that voter fraud doesn't exist....But libs are able to throw that claim out there at will, and still be credible? What a crock.

Bunch of dishonest hypocrites if you ask me.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So let me get this straight, If a conservative voices a claim of voter fraud, or intimidation, then all we get back is how unprovable it is, and there is none, or that voter fraud doesn't exist....But libs are able to throw that claim out there at will, and still be credible? What a crock.

Bunch of dishonest hypocrites if you ask me.
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Life isn't just about treating things conservatives say the same way as things liberals say. Reality exists. Some things are true and others are not. There have been literally hundreds of studies that have proven, over and over and over, that voting fraud by actually going in to a polling place is statistically insignificant. Many of those studies have been done by right wing organizations even.

On the other hand, the Florida felon purge of 2000 was extensively documented and carefully reviewed and widely reported. That actually did happen.
 
teamosil said:
Er what? How were you not aware of that?

Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program - Florida’s flawed “voter-cleansing” program - Salon.com
Florida List for Purge of Voters Proves Flawed - NYTimes.com
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You link to an aticle with proof like this:

Florida officials moved to put those falsely accused by Texas back on voter rolls before the election. Nevertheless, the large number of errors uncovered in individual counties suggests that thousands of eligible voters may have been turned away at the polls
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Its all supposition and nonsense. From kook lib blog Salon.com. What a crock.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
You link to an aticle with proof like this:

Its all supposition and nonsense. From kook lib blog Salon.com. What a crock.
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Honestly man, it is just bizarre that you were not aware of that. You really need to put some serious thought into where you are getting your news from because it seems like you're totally oblivious to half the things that happen in this country- all those things that Republican politicians would rather you not know about, you don't know about.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
You link to an aticle with proof like this:

Its all supposition and nonsense. From kook lib blog Salon.com. What a crock.
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It's fun to watch righties 'debate' :popcorn:
 
Oozlefinch said:
Actually, most of us are trying to insrtruct you in things like logic and cognitive thinking.

And we seem to be failing badly.
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Maybe if more of you tried actually laying out arguments of some kind instead of just angrily blurting out assumptions?
 
teamosil said:
Honestly man, it is just bizarre that you were not aware of that. You really need to put some serious thought into where you are getting your news from because it seems like you're totally oblivious to half the things that happen in this country- all those things that Republican politicians would rather you not know about, you don't know about.
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There is zero evidence that anyone was disenfranchised in that piece. If your argument is that honest errors are made in any attempt to purge voting records ...... well "no ****" Sherlock !

What is clear, and which I and others documented, is that Democrats, especially here in Florida, have a history of deliberately trying to dienfranchise legal voters. Such that even the Dem VP candidate in 2000, Joe Lieberman, could not stomach it.

And now, with this latest legal and proper attempt by our Governor to clean things up, all we get is nonsense, and such as the Holder DoJ, blocking the integrity of the vote just as they block the integrity of our borders. Its second-rate BS from second-rate Americans.

If you haven't noticed, Holder is going down. Hard.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
There is zero evidence that anyone was disenfranchised in that piece. If your argument is that honest errors are made in any attempt to purge voting records ...... well "no ****" Sherlock !
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Yeah. Florida Republicans just accidentally purged tens of thousands of minorities from the voting registrar for no reason. Aw shucks! Well mistakes happen, eh?

Are you freaking kidding me? They didn't like accidentally spill a glass of milk, they committed the largest instance of election fraud since the Jim Crow days. If you're really naive enough to believe that that was an accident then obviously they should never be entrusted with any kind of power again because they would obviously be absurdly and dangerously incompetent. You want to let people who you contend have a shocking history of "accidentally" disenfranchising tens of thousands of minority voters do it again? That would be insane. But in reality of course they knew exactly what they were doing. That is why they kept pressuring the company that made the list to figure out ways to get more names that they could kick out.
 
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teamosil said:
Life isn't just about treating things conservatives say the same way as things liberals say.
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Life? So now you are defining life? :doh At least you were honest about how dishonest liberals are.

Reality exists.
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What? :lamo Get the **** outta here....:lamo:lamo What a load of crap.:doh

Some things are true and others are not.
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I'll remember this glittering jewel of ignorant posting in the future.

There have been literally hundreds of studies that have proven, over and over and over, that voting fraud by actually going in to a polling place is statistically insignificant. Many of those studies have been done by right wing organizations even.
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Yeah, unless a liberal claims such then it must be true, is that how it works in your ****ed up little world?

On the other hand, the Florida felon purge of 2000 was extensively documented and carefully reviewed and widely reported. That actually did happen.
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Felons should not be allowed to vote.


j-mac
 
teamosil said:
Yeah. Florida Republicans just accidentally purged tens of thousands of minorities from the voting registrar for no reason. Aw shucks! Well mistakes happen, eh?

Are you freaking kidding me? They didn't like accidentally spill a glass of milk, they committed the largest instance of election fraud since the Jim Crow days. If you're really naive enough to believe that that was an accident then obviously they should never be entrusted with any kind of power again because they would obviously be absurdly and dangerously incompetent. You want to let people who you contend have a shocking history of "accidentally" disenfranchising tens of thousands of minority voters do it again? That would be insane. But in reality of course they knew exactly what they were doing. That is why they kept pressuring the company that made the list to figure out ways to get more names that they could kick out.
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Your article did not document a single entity that had been denied the opportunity to vote that should have been able to vote. Out of "tens of thousands". I quoted that paragraph that was full of "may have" and "could have" ... etc.

Meanwhile, the Gore camp had real ballots disqualified. Of our men and women in uniform. And Joe Lieberman, on Meet The Press, couldn't stoop that low.

My reality vs. your fantasy. Rack 'em up !!
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, unless a liberal claims such then it must be true, is that how it works in your ****ed up little world?
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What are you talking about kiddo?

j-mac said:
Felons should not be allowed to vote.
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You don't seem to be following the conversation. The 2000 purge was when Florida announced that they were going to purge felons, but the records people only came up with a small number of actual felons. The Republicans were not satisfied, so they hired an outside company to find more names. That company initially confirmed what the state records people said- that there were hardly any actual ex felons registered. But then the state threatened to rescind the contract if they didn't find more. So, they decided to flag everybody who had the same name as a felon for removal even if none of the other information about them matched. That got them up to about 8,000 names. But the Republicans still were not satisfied and they demanded that the company use "broader criteria". So then the company flagged all of the Florida voters who even had a similar name to a felon. So, if there was an ex felon named Mary Johns they would also exclude Mary Johnson and Marion Johns. That's how they got more than 100,000 names to expunge. Most of them were minorities and almost all of them were legal voters.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Your article did not document a single entity that had been denied the opportunity to vote that should have been able to vote. Out of "tens of thousands". I quoted that paragraph that was full of "may have" and "could have" ... etc.
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I dunno dude. Just re-read the articles I guess. Read them both. Google it and read other stuff on it. If you still don't understand, try to come back with specific questions and I'll see if I can help.

Eighty Deuce said:
Meanwhile, the Gore camp had real ballots disqualified. Of our men and women in uniform. And Joe Lieberman, on Meet The Press, couldn't stoop that low.
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Ballots cast after the recount started... But of course you already knew that.
 
teamosil said:
I dunno dude. Just re-read the articles I guess. Read them both. Google it and read other stuff on it. If you still don't understand, try to come back with specific questions and I'll see if I can help.



Ballots cast after the recount started... But of course you already knew that.
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We back to Bush v. Gore AGAIN!! Jeez, this crap just doesn't seem to go away. So for the millionth time, here is my opinion on Bush v. Gore:

Did Bush cheat? Of course he did, but only after Gore cheated first. That's right. Gore was a cheater. Bush was just a better cheater, and that really, really miffed the Gore camp. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
We back to Bush v. Gore AGAIN!! Jeez, this crap just doesn't seem to go away. So for the millionth time, here is my opinion on Bush v. Gore:

Did Bush cheat? Of course he did, but only after Gore cheated first. That's right. Gore was a cheater. Bush was just a better cheater, and that really, really miffed the Gore camp. LOL.
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It's not about Bush v. Gore. Or at least that isn't why it is relevant right now. The reason it matters right now is because Florida Republicans are trying to do it again.
 
teamosil said:
It's not about Bush v. Gore. Or at least that isn't why it is relevant right now. The reason it matters right now is because Florida Republicans are trying to do it again.
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Correction: A FEW Republicans are trying to do it, but every one of the Republican registrars of voters in the State of Florida are refusing to go along with it. Republicans are not all evil. Most of them are decent.
 
danarhea said:
Correction: A FEW Republicans are trying to do it, but every one of the Republican registrars of voters in the State of Florida are refusing to go along with it. Republicans are not all evil. Most of them are decent.
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Its not complicated. The State filed suit against DoHS. The US DoJ filed suit against Florida. That means "stop and wait". We have quotes from those most critical of the errors in the State list also being very critical of the Obama Administration, and the DoHS, for not providing the citizenship lists.

The Registrars are waiting out the lawsuits ...... DUH !
 
danarhea said:
We back to Bush v. Gore AGAIN!! Jeez, this crap just doesn't seem to go away. So for the millionth time, here is my opinion on Bush v. Gore:

Did Bush cheat? Of course he did, but only after Gore cheated first. That's right. Gore was a cheater. Bush was just a better cheater, and that really, really miffed the Gore camp. LOL.
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Gore cheated. And spit on our soldiers, as Democrats do when they think no one is looking.

Bush prevailed with the Law. Scott will prevail with the Law.
 
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