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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    [...] and due to the fact that about 400 of 2600 people (15%) have been erroneously purged (not just one WWII veteran), [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You make no distinction from actually being purged and being flagged as needing more information to prevent being purged (audited), a big diference. [...]
    Fair enough, as long as you'll grant that
    failing to reply to the letter, or
    the letter not being delivered, or
    not being at home for 30 days to receive the letter,
    you will be purged.

    "and due to the fact that about 400 of 2600 people (15%) have been erroneously flagged for purging (not just one WWII veteran),"
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    [...] Florida, as any other state, must keep its records up to date, or they are useless. [...]
    Bull****. Florida and the GOP machine in general is trying to dump Democrat voters wherever, whenever, how ever they can. It's been that way for half a century, everyone knows that -- even if they won't admit it.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Graphic is in the The Nation link I posted. Check it out.
    Thanks, I missed that. But it doesn't really answer my question. Someone can tell us stats like "400 of 2600 people (15%) have been erroneously purged", so if you know that, what percentage were legitimately purged? The remaining 85%?

    If that's the case, considering those 15% can verify their citizenship and get right back on the roles when they do, looks like a good effort.

    Btw, when I'm away from home for a month, I generally have someone look after my mail for me - considering I want to come back to a house that has electricity, water, garbage collection and the like. If these folks are not getting their mail, or not reading it, can't really do much for them anyway as they won't know where the polls are come voting day anyway.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Thanks, I missed that. But it doesn't really answer my question. Someone can tell us stats like "400 of 2600 people (15%) have been erroneously purged", so if you know that, what percentage were legitimately purged? The remaining 85%? [...]
    I doubt the state of FL would release that information, since I'm sure it will disprove their case. However, referring again to the graphic, you can do the math:

    Duvall County: 18 on purge list, 17 did not respond, 1 cleared as legitimate voter. So, the 17 had moved on (another state, another country, who knows?) or knew they weren't legal to vote, or simply moved to another FL address and did not get the letter. There is simply no way to know, other than tracking each of those 17 down.

    Citrus County: 3 on purge list, 1 did not respond, 2 cleared as legitimate voter. Yes, this is probably the worst example for FL's argument.

    Miami-Dade County: 1638 on purge list, 1243 did not respond, 385 cleared as legitimate voter. In this case the math does not add up, so it looks like they identified 10 unqualified voters. Doing similar math on the other larger counties shows 2 unqualified voters in Broward County, 1 in Charlotte County, 3 in Orange County, 1 in Brevard County, and 1 in Pinellas county, for a total of 18 valid hits out of some 2150 shots -- with some 400 definitely invalid hits (those that 'proved' themselves legitimate), and some 1,700 that did not respond at all for whatever reason.

    Those are really bad stats. I understand the desire to 'clean up' the registration rolls, but all the evidence (and lack thereof) indicates the zeal to do so is not based on a real problem, but an imagined -- or, more likely, concocted -- one.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    A much more civilized approach would be a letter along the lines of:

    Dear Registered Voter
    Our database shows that you may not be eligible to vote. Either please bring proof of citizenship to the voting registrar within 30 days, or bring proof of citizenship when you show up to vote. If our database is in error we will make the corrections at that time. If you can do neither then please contact us to discuss alternate arrangements, for you will otherwise not be allowed to vote.


    So, there ya go, no command to appear in front of the Politburo for inspection of your papers -- or else. If the person never shows up to vote, then strike them from the registration rolls for the next election; they've probably moved on, or are indeed illegally registered. 'Problem' solved, and nobody gets nicked for simply failing to meet a deadline or not showing up for 'inspection'.

    IMHO the GOP game plan is to keep people away from the polls, which is why the above would not be considered by them.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    If Governor Rick Scott can be proven to have committed a federal crime, he and anyone who willingly went along with him should be thrown in jail. Period.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Scott's approval rating is down to 31%. 56% disapprove. His voter suppression campaign is opposed by both Democrats and Republicans in the state.

    Butt hay -- he has lots of business experience!!
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Certainly does show your capacity to think clearly and logically on matters of import
    I truly don't care what anyone thinks about what I do.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ugh. Apparently you don't understand. Let me go over it again.

    The problem isn't removing undocumented immigrants from the rosters. That's fine. It's kind of pointless given that all studies ever done have shown that virtually no undocumented immigrants vote, but whatever.

    The problem is that they are excluding people based on extremely suspect criteria. For example, just having the same name as an undocumented immigrant. "Jose Garcia" or whatever. Guess what, there are hundreds of Jose Garcias in Florida. They will all be excluded if there is one Jose Garcia that is know to be an undocumented immigrant. Get it?
    So you'd be in favor of voter ID to weed them out?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Ding-ding-ding -- we have a winner!

    Today's right relies on fear to implement their agenda. Fear that a black president is going to steal America. Fear that a Hispanic is going to steal your job. Fear that a Muslim is going to kill you. Fear that an illegal alien is going to steal your vote. Fear that a third world tin pot country is going to nuke us (that doesn't even possess nuclear weapons).

    They hope to use that fear to implement their brand of fascism. Any facts that may offset or invalidate that fear must be marginalized, dismissed, or attacked. The minions know that, and carry the flag of the wannabe oppressors accordingly.
    And you wonder why no one takes you seriously. You cant even buy into the other side having good intentions about anything. You have to demonize. Go ahead take one more step and your post is a straight up Godwin.

    Like it or not, part of a Secretary of State's job is to make sure voter rolls are up to date. Thats what is being done.

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