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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
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    ... But I disagree with you and support state efforts against voting fraud.
    Last election, nationwide there were 12 charges of voter fraud, 5 prosecuted, no convictions! How much $$$$ effort would you like to spend?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But of course same day registration at the polling place would never encourage fraud, Nooooooo...There is no way anyone could ever visit more than one polling place in a day....As far as ID law's, what requirements are you proposing are unacceptable?
    Proof that you don't know what you're talking about. Minnesota has same day registration if you can prove residency with a utility bill. Voter fraud has not been a big problem (around 1/10 of 1%). So keep your talking points going, but you don't know what you're talking about.



    Yep, this happens too. Remember all the stories of demo election workers with hundreds if not thousands of ballots that magically appear in the trunks of their cars when needed? Watch Madison tomorrow....
    Talk about setting up your excuses ahead of time...


    Hundreds of studies eh? Well, since we have a study.....
    True, why pay attention to an actual study when we've got the Republican party's talking points to tell us the truth?


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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post


    Yep, this happens too. Remember all the stories of demo election workers with hundreds if not thousands of ballots that magically appear in the trunks of their cars when needed? Watch Madison tomorrow....


    j-mac

    The most recent story and one that is relevant to the Wisconsin recall effort does involve a bunch of votes being "found" unexpectedly. It happened last year in Wisconsin

    14,000 votes 'found' by Republican clerk
    In one explosive stroke Thursday, the clerk in a Republican stronghold tilted the tight Supreme Court race in favor of Justice David Prosser by recovering thousands of untallied votes for the incumbent.

    Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said Thursday that she failed to save on her computer and then report 14,315 votes in the city of Brookfield, omitting them entirely in an unofficial total she released after Tuesday's election. With other smaller errors in Waukesha County, Prosser gained 7,582 votes over his challenger, JoAnne Kloppenburg, leaving the sitting justice significantly ahead for now amid ongoing official counting.
    UP to that point, the Democratic challenger had been leading by 204 votes. Not the first time, this county has had problems with the vote count.
    Wisconsin County That 'Found' Lost Votes Apparently Has Major Voting Irregularities For Years...

    In the race for Governor/Lieutenant Governor there were a total of 176,112 votes cast. For Attorney General there were a total of 174,047 votes cast. And for Secretary of State there were a total 170,440 votes cast.

    So, look at the 3rd line of the top of that report (link below) ...Total Ballots Cast: 156,804. So based on those numbers 20,000 extra votes were cast in the election that weren't actually accounted for in the ballots cast.
    http://www.waukeshacounty.gov/upload...Nov20_2006.LST

    Nah, more like jerks on the right who like to call names, and make bogus claims raise suspicion......
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    So the state should do more research or "Due Diligence" to determine if they are or are not citizens?
    Yes. I don't know of anyone who is against removing ineligible voters from the rolls.

    It's the carpet bombing sweep, sending out letters to thousands and effectively saying...'Prove you are the real deal, all over again'. Remember, that the voter registrar has already vetted someone when they registered to vote. If for some reason they have been declared ineligible to vote since then, by all send that person the letter after more research or "Due Diligence"!!!!
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Here is what you maybe don't get. Committing voter fraud by actually going into a polling place would be idiotic. Totally inefficient and high risk. It is hard enough getting even half of legal voters to vote. If somebody wanted to make a big push to get more votes, why would they possibly push for illegal voters when there are millions of legal voters who haven't voted? It'd be way easier to get legal voters to vote than to get people to commit a crime. And, regardless, if somebody wanted to commit voter fraud, they find ways to do it that result in hundreds or thousands of votes and involve less risk, such as sending in fake absentee ballots or fraud by election workers. That kind of stuff happens, but fraud committed by going into a polling place and voting when you shouldn't doesn't really happen at all. Again, that is what literally hundreds of studies have all concluded. It just baffles me. It's like the right just doesn't even care whether there is actual factual evidence for things anymore. They just go off half cocked about everything and even when faced with the actual evidence, they are unphased.... Has the right just collapsed into a cesspool of the stupid or what?
    I've pointed this out many times.

    IF and that's a very big IF, someone was to go to so much trouble (the sheer logistics to get that many fake in-person voters) for such little reward , what's one more little step of making a fake photo ID?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Frustrating though it may be at times, doesn't each State select who their reps will be through the Electoral College and hasn't it actually served the United States quite well?
    No. Representatives to state legislatures and to Congress (House and Senate) are determined strictly by the voters. Only the vote for the President of the United States is ratified by the Electoral College and the Senate. (See Art II, Section 1, clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution)

    Perhaps these problems were foreseen by the founders and why it was they established some safeguards against abuse by one leader or one party. .
    Hence, the reason the Office of the President of the United States has term limits (not to mention that the President cannot appoint himself with any other title, i.e., King).

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that the Feds had almost 50 years to fix the Florida problem but couldn't. Bless the American people for their patience.
    How many years do you suggest it take to fix racism in a society?
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    Last edited by poweRob; 06-04-12 at 06:04 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Yep. Total coincidence.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But of course same day registration at the polling place would never encourage fraud, Nooooooo...There is no way anyone could ever visit more than one polling place in a day....
    Same day registration shouldn't make that any easier to pull off. They still follow all the same procedures regardless of where they do it. In theory maybe if they aren't computerized you could register multiple places and vote before they caught it, but when they go to enter the registration information into the database they'd certainly catch it and probably exclude all your votes.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    As far as ID law's, what requirements are you proposing are unacceptable?
    Well, really I think that any gaming of it at all is a problem. I think they should just require a valid photo ID like everything else does and leave it at that. Using these levers to try to manipulate results by allowing passports here, but not there, and allowing military IDs here, and not there, and so on, is just a road we can't even start down. In some states they're even doing this thing where certain forms of ID are accepted in one county and not in another so that they can really tweak it to try to maximize the elderly vote in the part of the state that is favorable to their party, but make it harder for elderly people to vote in another part of the state where the elderly don't favor them so much.

    Make no mistake, these guys have incredibly detailed block by block maps of exactly how each demographic group votes sliced every way you can imagine and they have extensive research about exactly what percentage of those groups have what kinds of ID. They know that in this particular voting district they'll gain 2% if they don't allow medicare cards, and in this other voting district they'll gain 9% if they don't allow military IDs, and so on.

    The most problematic requirements are that the ID be issued by the state (as opposed to passports, medicare cards, student IDs, military IDs, IDs from other states, etc), and that it have your current address. Those two account for most of the 10% they're excluding.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Easy, much easier to have these people disappear after pulling the lever.
    Well, I get why you might have assumed that, but it isn't true. All the studies have found that it isn't true. Again, just motivating legal voters to vote once is really hard. If they have surplus get out the vote resources, that is where they spend them, not on trying to get people to vote illegally. It's just more efficient use of resources, and again, all the studies have shown that. It isn't really debatable, it's just a factual question that has been conclusively answered at this point.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Nah, more like jerks on the left who like to call names, and make bogus claims raise suspicion.
    LOL. So the fact that the people the right attacks complain when they are attacked is why the right attacks them? We should just shut up and take it and then you'd stop? Uh, I don't think so.
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