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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When as many as 20% of the people that are on the list are actually citizens and actually eligible to vote, then yes, it is a violation of the 14th Amendment. Want to make a bet? If this goes to the Supreme Court, let's bet on the outcome. Avatars for a month. You in?

    LOL, if it goes to the Supreme Court?....heh, heh....Yeah sure...

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yeah, and you just might be.

    My understanding is that there are over 2 million federal employees. Isn't there an agency somewhere which can figure out who is eligible to vote?

    It's been over 235 year now. Aren't the citizens getting a little impatient for the Feds to solve the problem?
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Each state controls it's own voter registration lists. However, Florida has had a long history of Jim Crow, and voter suppression, so much so that any plan it comes up with, in regard to voting, must be reviewed by the Federal government to assure that it complies with the 1965 Voting Rights Act, and the 14th Amendment, both of which the State of Florida has violated time and time again, thus making Federal review of it's programs necessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It's not up to the Federal government to fix Florida's problem. It's up to Florida, and until Florida does fix it's problem, the Feds will be watching them, and putting a stop to anything they attempt to do that breaks the law.
    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to State's Rights...perhaps at its worse.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to State's Rights...perhaps at its worse.
    Sadly, states' rights seem to always be at their worst. The big states' rights battles have all been about individual states trying to do something awful. Slavery is obviously the big one, but school segregation, lax safety standards for nuclear power plants, voting discrimination, employment discrimination, child labor, pollution... The list goes on and on. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the states never seem to have been on the right side of the issue in any of these state-federal squabbles in our history.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, again, I have several forms of valid photo ID. Just not one that would meet the most rigged of the voter ID laws. A passport is accepted as proof of ID for every other purpose there is, as is an out of state drivers' license. But not for some of these voter ID laws because they're attempting to rig the elections.
    Valid? Without your current address? I don't think most banks would consider that valid.
    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, first off, all the studies conclude that just letting people vote actually very rarely leads to any fraud. That's what the actual evidence proves, so no need for speculation.
    Allowing people to walk in without any registration at all? Has any state done that? If not how can they know it leads to little fraud?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Valid? Without your current address? I don't think most banks would consider that valid.
    Of course they do. In fact, I bet that your bank asks you whether your ID has your current address all the time. If it doesn't, they just ask you what your current address is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Allowing people to walk in without any registration at all? Has any state done that? If not how can they know it leads to little fraud?
    No, all states require registration, but most allow you to register and vote right at the polling place. I have no problem with requiring registration, although IMO the only reason not to allow same day registration is voter suppression. Heck, I'm even OK with requiring a photo ID. But these so called voter ID laws that tack on all sorts of other requirements in attempts to rig the elections are not remotely acceptable.

    Here is what you maybe don't get. Committing voter fraud by actually going into a polling place would be idiotic. Totally inefficient and high risk. It is hard enough getting even half of legal voters to vote. If somebody wanted to make a big push to get more votes, why would they possibly push for illegal voters when there are millions of legal voters who haven't voted? It'd be way easier to get legal voters to vote than to get people to commit a crime. And, regardless, if somebody wanted to commit voter fraud, they find ways to do it that result in hundreds or thousands of votes and involve less risk, such as sending in fake absentee ballots or fraud by election workers. That kind of stuff happens, but fraud committed by going into a polling place and voting when you shouldn't doesn't really happen at all. Again, that is what literally hundreds of studies have all concluded. It just baffles me. It's like the right just doesn't even care whether there is actual factual evidence for things anymore. They just go off half cocked about everything and even when faced with the actual evidence, they are unphased.... Has the right just collapsed into a cesspool of the stupid or what?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to State's Rights...perhaps at its worse.
    Frustrating though it may be at times, doesn't each State select who their reps will be through the Electoral College and hasn't it actually served the United States quite well?

    Perhaps these problems were foreseen by the founders and why it was they established some safeguards against abuse by one leader or one party. .

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Frustrating though it may be at times, doesn't each State select who their reps will be through the Electoral College and hasn't it actually served the United States quite well?

    Perhaps these problems were foreseen by the founders and why it was they established some safeguards against abuse by one leader or one party. .
    LOL you give far too much credit to the founders... they were after all dictators themselves, slave owners and worse. States rights is a fine thing on paper, but because of the problems in the past with states who abuse their own citizens and worse, then those rights must be taken away slowly.

    Florida lost its right to manage its own election system 100% when it openly discriminated against blacks and latinos back in the day. And situations like this does not help their case when 60% of those sent a letter were latino, and the fail rate (as in people actually were citizens) was huge 30+%.... and if we only count those that responded, then the fail rate was even higher.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, all states require registration, but most allow you to register and vote right at the polling place. I have no problem with requiring registration, although IMO the only reason not to allow same day registration is voter suppression. Heck, I'm even OK with requiring a photo ID. But these so called voter ID laws that tack on all sorts of other requirements in attempts to rig the elections are not remotely acceptable.
    But of course same day registration at the polling place would never encourage fraud, Nooooooo...There is no way anyone could ever visit more than one polling place in a day....As far as ID law's, what requirements are you proposing are unacceptable?

    Here is what you maybe don't get. Committing voter fraud by actually going into a polling place would be idiotic. Totally inefficient and high risk. It is hard enough getting even half of legal voters to vote. If somebody wanted to make a big push to get more votes, why would they possibly push for illegal voters when there are millions of legal voters who haven't voted? It'd be way easier to get legal voters to vote than to get people to commit a crime.
    Easy, much easier to have these people disappear after pulling the lever.

    And, regardless, if somebody wanted to commit voter fraud, they find ways to do it that result in hundreds or thousands of votes and involve less risk, such as sending in fake absentee ballots or fraud by election workers.
    Yep, this happens too. Remember all the stories of demo election workers with hundreds if not thousands of ballots that magically appear in the trunks of their cars when needed? Watch Madison tomorrow....

    That kind of stuff happens, but fraud committed by going into a polling place and voting when you shouldn't doesn't really happen at all. Again, that is what literally hundreds of studies have all concluded.

    Hundreds of studies eh? Well, since we have a study.....

    It just baffles me. It's like the right just doesn't even care whether there is actual factual evidence for things anymore. They just go off half cocked about everything and even when faced with the actual evidence, they are unphased.... Has the right just collapsed into a cesspool of the stupid or what?
    Nah, more like jerks on the left who like to call names, and make bogus claims raise suspicion.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I thought this is why the names are being 'flagged:'

    The state's list was based on Florida residents who hold "non-citizen" driver licenses. But that database, kept by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, is not automatically updated when an individual becomes a citizen.
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-01/news/os-doj-strikes-down-voter-purge-20120601_1_voter-purge-voter-registration-national-voter-rights-act
    Quite possible, but if you believe the liberals its a GOP plot to steal the election. I guess this way they are setting up their pre-blame if they lose the White House this year...
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    Quite possible, but if you believe the liberals its a GOP plot to steal the election. I guess this way they are setting up their pre-blame if they lose the White House this year...

    Good point.


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