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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    This is typical liberal racism by danarhea. Ignore the fact that the state has been asking the feds to help confirm who is and isn’t a citizen and act like you are outraged that these “white republicans” are trying to return to the days of Jim Crow.

    How pathetic it must be to see white boogieman republicans hiding around every corner just looking to enslave everyone else. What a joke.
    Yes, it's all about Liberal racism, which is why REPUBLICAN officials in some counties are refusing to obey Scott and are NOT conducting the purge. OK, I just learned something. Republicans are Liberals.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    You seem fixated on "driver's license". Drivers License is not required. A state issued ID is required.
    Not sure how you think that helps anything. Neither me nor my grandmother have any ID issued by the states we live in. You don't need one for any other reason. In the states we live in, you don't need it to vote either, but if they did pass one of those laws here, I doubt I'd go down to the DMV for a day to get a new ID I don't need just for voting. Do you honestly think you would?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    This is just irresponsible since most state require a person to update their drivers license within 30 days of a change of address.
    Some states do, some states don't. But, regardless, that's only if you drive.

    I think a lot of this issue just comes down to folks not thinking beyond their own lifestyle. People who live in the suburbs or some small town somewhere that drive everywhere and haven't moved in 20 years think "gosh, that doesn't sound like a hassle to me" so they figure it must not be for anybody... But in reality there are many people who move every year, even multiple times a year. Sometimes within states, sometimes between states. There are many people who don't drive either because they live in a big city or because they are elderly or because they can't afford a car. I've lived in 4 different states in just the past 2 years for example and I have only been driving in 2 of those 4 states. You need to put more effort into thinking this stuff through and putting yourself in other people's shoes.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not sure how you think that helps anything. Neither me nor my grandmother have any ID issued by the states we live in. You don't need one for any other reason. In the states we live in, you don't need it to vote either, but if they did pass one of those laws here, I doubt I'd go down to the DMV for a day to get a new ID I don't need just for voting. Do you honestly think you would?
    To Vote? Absolutely yes, I would. Did you take the time to register to vote? Photo Id is required for many things. Opening a bank account, purchasing alcohol or cigarettes or (at least here) purchasing Advil cold and sinus.


    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Some states do, some states don't. But, regardless, that's only if you drive.

    I think a lot of this issue just comes down to folks not thinking beyond their own lifestyle. People who live in the suburbs or some small town somewhere that drive everywhere and haven't moved in 20 years think "gosh, that doesn't sound like a hassle to me" so they figure it must not be for anybody... But in reality there are many people who move every year, even multiple times a year. Sometimes within states, sometimes between states. There are many people who don't drive either because they live in a big city or because they are elderly or because they can't afford a car. I've lived in 4 different states in just the past 2 years for example and I have only been driving in 2 of those 4 states. You need to put more effort into thinking this stuff through and putting yourself in other people's shoes.
    You also have to register to vote. It that too much hassle also? should we just allow whoever walks up to the polling place to vote with no checks at all?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    To Vote? Absolutely yes, I would. Did you take the time to register to vote? Photo Id is required for many things. Opening a bank account, purchasing alcohol or cigarettes or (at least here) purchasing Advil cold and sinus.
    No, again, I have several forms of valid photo ID. Just not one that would meet the most rigged of the voter ID laws. A passport is accepted as proof of ID for every other purpose there is, as is an out of state drivers' license. But not for some of these voter ID laws because they're attempting to rig the elections.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    You also have to register to vote. It that too much hassle also? should we just allow whoever walks up to the polling place to vote with no checks at all?
    Well, first off, all the studies conclude that just letting people vote actually very rarely leads to any fraud. That's what the actual evidence proves, so no need for speculation.

    But, I would be fine with just requiring a valid photo ID.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So you just admit that you're willing to go along with election fraud if it gets the results you like?
    No. As I said earlier steps should be taken to prevent any voter fraud whatsoever, while you were making the claim that some voter fraud is acceptable. That's where we differ.

    Not sure what you're talking about here either. That doesn't have anything to do with anything we're talking about as far as I can tell.
    It's really quite clear.

    Again, I already have a passport. That doesn't help under a lot of the so called "voter ID" laws, because they aren't there just to figure out if you're a legal voter, they're there to skew election results. You clearly aren't reading my posts.
    This debate is not about you.

    Again, just rain alone reduces turnout by 50%. Obviously spending a day at the DMV is a bigger hassle than rain, right? So you're talking about a massive manipulation of the election, right?
    Is this a climate change argument? Is is still about Al Gore?

    10% is the number of people who currently do not have a form of ID accepted by the most rigged of the voter ID laws.
    How about a link to a reliable source?

    So, what do you figure, 1 in 10 people in that boat would go get an additional photo ID they don't need for any other purpose just to vote? So nationally if those voter ID laws were imposed, that would be something on the order of 18 million acts of voter fraud the Republicans would be committing by rigging the elections in this way.
    It\s not clear how you arrived at this conclusion. There is some muddled thinking going on, it seems.

    Other countries just require a valid photo ID, not all this messed up gaming of the system to try to rig elections.
    You should provide some credible l;nks to justify these assertions.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The last time? That would be just this week, which is why the Justice Department intervened. It was in the news, 'ya know.

    Oh yes, and DoJ under the Obama administration would never do anything skirting the law....Nooooooo....Gheeze Dana, you are so conservative, what with your unquestioning demeanor of our current administration and all....

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No. As I said earlier steps should be taken to prevent any voter fraud whatsoever, while you were making the claim that some voter fraud is acceptable. That's where we differ.
    Well, the worst of the voter ID laws are, by far, the biggest case of election fraud anybody has even contemplated in 50 years. You seem to think that is acceptable for some reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This debate is not about you.
    You claimed that having a passport would mean I could vote. That is not true. The debate isn't about me, it is about whether the requirements are reasonable. Do you think that refusing to accept even passports- generally seen as the most reliable and fraud proof form of ID there is, is reasonable?

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    How about a link to a reliable source?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It\s not clear how you arrived at this conclusion. There is some muddled thinking going on, it seems.
    I don't understand where you're getting confused. Again, voter ID laws create a barrier to voting that many people will not overcome. So, however many legit voters get prevented from voting, that is how much election fraud the voter ID laws result in. Many millions.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh yes, and DoJ under the Obama administration would never do anything skirting the law....Nooooooo....Gheeze Dana, you are so conservative, what with your unquestioning demeanor of our current administration and all....

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now why would the Justice Department order a purge of non-citizens to be stopped? A purge like this is a good thing, right? Well, not really. Not if a substantial number of purged voters are actually citizens, and are being added to the purge list because they don't happen to be white Republicans.



    Article is here.
    It is very satisfying to see a conservative come out against a conservative politician's civil rights abuse.

    Make no mistake, I would gladly return the favor. If a Democratic politician ever tried to purge Republicans who were legally entitled to vote from the registry, I would defend those Republicans tooth and nail. It is better to have a politician you don't like ethically elected than one you do like unethically elected.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    When as many as 20% of the people that are on the list are actually citizens and actually eligible to vote, then yes, it is a violation of the 14th Amendment. Want to make a bet? If this goes to the Supreme Court, let's bet on the outcome. Avatars for a month. You in?
    Yeah, it certainly is. But, more directly, disregarding a refusal by the DOJ to preclear a change to voting procedures in a covered jurisdiction is extremely illegal. They won't even need to get into any constitutional questions. The Voting Rights Act flatly says that they can't enact changes to voting procedures without either the DOJ or a court pre-clearing it. If they do, as they boast they will, they will unquestionably be in serious violation of federal law.
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