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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Not sure what you mean. I'm saying that errecting barriers to people voting has a huge impact on election results.
    Yes, of course, which is why photo ID would be very helpful.

    If you elect barriers to some folks- people that don't currently have the right kind of ID- but not others, then you are corrupting the result of the election.
    Well certainly no American citizen should be denied a photo ID. If there is a problem with any individual then that can certainly be investigated, but most people should be expected have some record of their personal history.

    Whether in theory people ought to just push through those barriers or not isn't the issue, the issue is how severely that measure will skew the election results. I'm using the rain example to show that even relatively small barriers do in fact dramatically skew election results.
    Yes, the weather can skew election results, and other events as well, but like admission to any event there should be some criteria as to who should be allowed to participate. In elections this is of utmost importance, and should be a matter of nationall pride. Certainly the famed "American know-how" can come up with some system where only US citizens may vote.



    Well, for example, I would not currently be able to vote if my state adopted the strictest of the voter ID laws unless I went and got a new ID. I have several valid photo IDs- a passport, a driver's license from the state I lived in before entering law school, and a student ID. But, many of the laws only accept IDs issued by the state in which you would be voting, and since I'm not driving while I'm at school here, I didn't get a driver's license here.
    This does seem a seious problem and one that should easily be overcome. You could probably apply for a passport as well with no real problem.
    Likewise, my grandmother could not vote with her current ID in some of the states. She has a passport as well and a Medicare card, but her driver's license was allowed to expire a few years ago since she is too old to drive.
    Her passport should be evidence enough.

    The biggest category of people whose IDs wouldn't allow them to vote are people who move more frequently. Very few people update the addresses on their IDs right away every time they move houses. So, young people very often have previous addresses on their IDs. Many of the laws exclude IDs that don't have a current address.
    A very minor problem.

    So, those are three big categories of people that get hit hard by the worst of the voter ID laws- students, the eldery and young people. Other categories are people in the military, people in cities where you can get by without a car, and the poor.
    With advanced polling, drivers pools, etc. this is not a major concern. People who intend to vote will have no problem applying for ID.

    Again, it is corrupting the system by suppressing the votes of up to 10% of the population. That is a massive corruption of the system on par with the Jim Crow days. Excluding one person from voting who is a legal voter is exactly as bad as one person who isn't a legal voter voting. Either way, you're cheating the result by one vote.
    It's not clear where this 10% number comes in , especially if you are drawing from the concerns you expressed above. Other countries have overcome problems with their electoral system and there appears to be no real reasons why the American people can't do the same. You're implying that they are ineffectual, lazy or just plain stupid, and I don't believe that's that the case at all.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So your position is that the Democrats somehow got the Republicans to do it? Or what?
    No, my position is that liberal demo's are crying like stuck pigs, because the Fl AG is taking a close look at voting roles in a battle ground state that demo's were/are counting on to pull their usual dirty tricks in steal the vote in that state.

    And Holder is complacent in this by attempting to block it...This crew of liberal criminals is corrupt to the core, and I for one will be glad when Nov. comes and they tossed out on their ear.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    How many want to bet that the poster will refuse to accept this?
    Interesting such a remark would be made without knowing an individual.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, my position is that liberal demo's are crying like stuck pigs, because the Fl AG is taking a close look at voting roles in a battle ground state that demo's were/are counting on to pull their usual dirty tricks in steal the vote in that state.

    And Holder is complacent in this by attempting to block it...This crew of liberal criminals is corrupt to the core, and I for one will be glad when Nov. comes and they tossed out on their ear.

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Disputatious71 View Post
    No the problem is that with opinions like yours parroting the partisan political agenda and ignoring the fact that these names are NOT random in order to stir up the ignorant public into creating a well meaning outcry over perceived violations. These names are being flagged due to some voters being convicted, dying or lack of citizenship whether by intent, clerical error or other misfortune. This does not mean those flagged in error will, after due diligence, be denied their legal right to vote if they have one !

    I thought this is why the names are being 'flagged:'

    The state's list was based on Florida residents who hold "non-citizen" driver licenses. But that database, kept by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, is not automatically updated when an individual becomes a citizen.
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-01/news/os-doj-strikes-down-voter-purge-20120601_1_voter-purge-voter-registration-national-voter-rights-act
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, of course, which is why photo ID would be very helpful.
    So you just admit that you're willing to go along with election fraud if it gets the results you like?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well certainly no American citizen should be denied a photo ID. If there is a problem with any individual then that can certainly be investigated, but most people should be expected have some record of their personal history.
    Not sure what you're talking about here either. That doesn't have anything to do with anything we're talking about as far as I can tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This does seem a seious problem and one that should easily be overcome. You could probably apply for a passport as well with no real problem.
    Again, I already have a passport. That doesn't help under a lot of the so called "voter ID" laws, because they aren't there just to figure out if you're a legal voter, they're there to skew election results. You clearly aren't reading my posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    With advanced polling, drivers pools, etc. this is not a major concern. People who intend to vote will have no problem applying for ID.
    Again, just rain alone reduces turnout by 50%. Obviously spending a day at the DMV is a bigger hassle than rain, right? So you're talking about a massive manipulation of the election, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not clear where this 10% number comes in , especially if you are drawing from the concerns you expressed above.
    10% is the number of people who currently do not have a form of ID accepted by the most rigged of the voter ID laws.

    So, what do you figure, 1 in 10 people in that boat would go get an additional photo ID they don't need for any other purpose just to vote? So nationally if those voter ID laws were imposed, that would be something on the order of 18 million acts of voter fraud the Republicans would be committing by rigging the elections in this way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Other countries have overcome problems with their electoral system and there appears to be no real reasons why the American people can't do the same..
    Other countries just require a valid photo ID, not all this messed up gaming of the system to try to rig elections.
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The real crux of this boils down to this:




    My God liberals are transparent in their intent....

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    You mean liberals are upset because coservatives are trying to disenfranchise them?

    Why do you think this is so important to Republicans?

    Or are you stupid enough to think that they have your best interests at heart?


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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    I thought this is why the names are being 'flagged:'

    The state's list was based on Florida residents who hold "non-citizen" driver licenses. But that database, kept by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, is not automatically updated when an individual becomes a citizen.
    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-01/news/os-doj-strikes-down-voter-purge-20120601_1_voter-purge-voter-registration-national-voter-rights-act
    So the state should do more research or "Due Diligence" to determine if they are or are not citizens?
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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, prove it...What was the last time that Florida violated the 14th amendment?

    Isn't this just another in the long line of Holder's war on states that don't want illegals voting, or being here illegally?

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    Re: Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Well, for example, I would not currently be able to vote if my state adopted the strictest of the voter ID laws unless I went and got a new ID. I have several valid photo IDs- a passport, a driver's license from the state I lived in before entering law school, and a student ID. But, many of the laws only accept IDs issued by the state in which you would be voting, and since I'm not driving while I'm at school here, I didn't get a driver's license here.

    Likewise, my grandmother could not vote with her current ID in some of the states. She has a passport as well and a Medicare card, but her driver's license was allowed to expire a few years ago since she is too old to drive.
    You seem fixated on "driver's license". Drivers License is not required. A state issued ID is required.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The biggest category of people whose IDs wouldn't allow them to vote are people who move more frequently. Very few people update the addresses on their IDs right away every time they move houses. So, young people very often have previous addresses on their IDs. Many of the laws exclude IDs that don't have a current address.
    This is just irresponsible since most state require a person to update their drivers license within 30 days of a change of address.
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