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Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

Catawba said:
Yes his loyalty is to the 99%, rather than the 1% that profit from military imperialism. That helps explain why the majority of Wall Street donations are going to Romney.
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Come on Catawba. Last election they went to Obama.
 
Helix said:
one of my fears is that this will set off a chain of events that results in an attack on the US. every militaristic nation in the world probably has stuxnet now, and most have probably made used it to make their own weapon.

that's the problem with game changing weapons : it's only a matter of time until your "enemy" gets one.

i'd prefer we use more of our innovative power to address energy and the economy. want to disarm Iran? stop buying oil.
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Stuxnet is an open source virus. Anyone can get their hands on it and use in it or as a variant of it. It has been available for some time now.

Further, there are already severe sanctions on Iran and they are producing oil and IIRC just stockpiling it.
 
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Connery said:
Stuxnet is an open source virus. Anyone can get their hands on it and use in it or as a variant of it. It has been available for some time now.

Further, there are already severe sanctions on Iran and they are producing oil and IIRC just stockpiling it.
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And that is the virus we know of. Do we really think that we know of our government most powerful cyber weapon? I highly doubt we are that informed.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Seriously? I mean Seriously?
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It was you who asked the question. What other explanation do you have for his withdrawal of the troops from Iraq, the drawdown of the troops in Afghanistan and proposed cuts to military spending?
 
Catawba said:
Yes his loyalty is to the 99%, rather than the 1% that profit from military imperialism. That helps explain why the majority of Wall Street donations are going to Romney.
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BHO had collected more money from Wasll Street than any other previous president, which explains all the crony capitalism going on with GM, GE, Solyndra and all the rest. Perhaps there might be change but thats unlikely with Obama spreading the dough around.

Obama still flush with cash from financial sector despite frosty relations - The Washington Post
 
Connery said:
According to the article, "only recently has the government acknowledged developing cyber-weapons, though it has never admitted deploying them."
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LOL...they most certainly test anything they make. And would have most certainly already used it before now.

Wiggen said:
Since the only thing damaged here was Iran's capability for producing nuclear weapons, I think I won't be shedding a lot of tears over this.
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On the surface...but the fallout of that attack is Iran's crippled nuclear capability. Does this mean that they are unable to make bombs or supply nuclear power to their people? Also...if they can target nuclear equipment with such precision, what prevents them from targeting something else. I can't say that they have done it but the possibility that the can do it is certainly present. And it can be a massive tool of coercion- the ability to obstruct a country like this- in extorting or instituting outrageously unbalanced demands on the country in exchange for certain rights or concessions.

Such a weapon has massive implications when you apply imagination to it. But I cannot argue one thing. People were not killed. But...that doesn't mean they won't suffer from the political effects this could have.
 
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Grant said:
It was you who asked the question. What other explanation do you have for his withdrawal of the troops from Iraq, the drawdown of the troops in Afghanistan and proposed cuts to military spending?
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Because we all know that EVERY LOYAL AMERICAN is a WAR MONGER!!!
If we're not out there trying to militarily dominate the world then we must be traitors.

What a load of horse crap! :lamo
 
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Geeeee zus...people...grow a set already. Cyber warfare is and has been ongoing for decades and it involves every country with technology. IF the story about the source and origin of the cyber attack is true, then props and kudos again to Obama.

If Iran gets their 7 day ****ters tied in a knot over this and decide they want to attack, well...that would be what they call in the business a 'mistake', one that they arent likely to make. And yes...when you have a whackjob alluding to the glorious end of the world in technicolor and on again off again allegations regarding the development of nuclear weapons, then you are subject to cyber attacks. Thank goodness the grown-ups are in charge of security and not the ideologues. The ideologues can maintain security in the flower boxes and Starbucks. Keep em safe, kids.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Because we all know that EVERY LOYAL AMERICAN is a WAR MONGER!!!
If we're not out there trying to militarily dominate the world then we must be traitors.

What a load of horse crap! :lamo
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Oh, no, I'm sure there is another logical explanation to the question. What do you think it is?
 
Blue_State said:
And that is the virus we know of. Do we really think that we know of our government most powerful cyber weapon? I highly doubt we are that informed.
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Nor should we be informed, these are matters of security and protection. If we are informed then everyone, including those whose interests run contrary to the US, are also informed.
 
Catawba said:
Yes his loyalty is to the 99%, rather than the 1% that profit from military imperialism. That helps explain why the majority of Wall Street donations are going to Romney.
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Hmmm so what part of the 99% is it that are attending all these $30,000 lunches and dinners for Obama?? I’m sure we can pencil you in for the next one right ??
 
KevinKohler said:
More than 1% profit from military imperialism. CT, for one, would go totally belly up if world peace struck tomorrow.
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Sorry, I don't support killing for profit.
 
Connery said:
Again, could we stick with the OP please, Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says or you can start a new thread....:doh

Catawba, why do you wish to continuously derail this thread?
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Merely addressing points that have been brought up. If you do not wish to have your points addressed, don't make them.
 
Legal Consequences Of a Cyber Attack

"Is it legal to use cyber technology to attack another country?

Host Aaron Schachter speaks with law professor and retired general Charles Dunlap about the international legal ramifications of the US launching cyber attacks against another country, as the New York Times reports has been done by the US against Iran."

Hear the interview at the link above.
 
Catawba said:
Merely addressing points that have been brought up. If you do not wish to have your points addressed, don't make them.
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Again with the nonsense cat. You continuously wish to bring is convention warfare and the military, this thread is about Cyber warfare and it's effect. Not Obama "withdrew the troops from Iraq, began drawdown of the troops in Afghanistan and proposed cuts to military spending?"
 
Blue_State said:
Come on Catawba. Last election they went to Obama.
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Yep, but then they found out he wasn't willing to play ball (financial regulation and cuts to military spending) so are now funding Romney who supports bank deregulation and increased military spending.

"No other candidate came close to the $12 million Romney's campaign raised directly in 2011 from individuals who work at financial firms and banks, which also includes cash from insurance and real estate companies, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

By comparison, Obama's campaign raised $5 million from people who worked on Wall Street last year, the Center for Responsive Politics reported."

Wall Street bets big on Romney - Feb. 1, 2012
 
My only real issue with cyber warfare is that, like fallout, it ends up affecting us all. Let's say uncle sam develops one HECK of a solid viral program, something designed to infiltrate secure systems, and either collect data, or wreak havoc...and let's say that uncle sam unleashes that program on an enemy. Guess what that enemy now has? At the very least, an archetype of that program...but most likely, they would have all the code needed, just from having the program on their hard drive, to develop something of their own that is very similar. And sure, this will likely NOT work on uncle SAM'S systems...but what about MY computer? You see, our "enemies" don't mind attacking civilians, rather than the conventional government on government warfare. It's not like Norton is going to be "in the know" about a program developed by the DOD or NSA. So they are no help, in the event that a massive cyber attack, targeted NOT at the pentegon, but at the REST of the US, should happen.
 
KevinKohler said:
Then you don't support all of the unions that thrive on military contracts.
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Correct. I don't support killing for profit period. Just wasn't raised that way. Sorry!
 
Catawba said:
Yep, but then they found out he wasn't willing to play ball (financial regulation and cuts to military spending) so are now funding Romney who supports bank deregulation and increased military spending.

"No other candidate came close to the $12 million Romney's campaign raised directly in 2011 from individuals who work at financial firms and banks, which also includes cash from insurance and real estate companies, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

By comparison, Obama's campaign raised $5 million from people who worked on Wall Street last year, the Center for Responsive Politics reported."

Wall Street bets big on Romney - Feb. 1, 2012
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So what about Obama's fundraising with the Wall Street fat cats? Isn't he in New York with Bill Clinton at the home of hedge fund manager Marc Lasry, continuing to ask for and receive donations from Wall Street? Tickets to the event are $40,000 each.

Maybe he can use that money to pay for more cyber attacks.

:lamo
 
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Connery said:
Nor should we be informed, these are matters of security and protection. If we are informed then everyone, including those whose interests run contrary to the US, are also informed.
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Agreed.

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Catawba said:
Correct. I don't support killing for profit period. Just wasn't raised that way. Sorry!
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Then you don't support America's number 1, leading export.


Warfare.
 
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