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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Com'on, man, spies have been around forever. If they're caught they're shot or held for future exchange. This is no different except there's no bodies involved.
    Law professor and retired general Charles Dunlap thinks this attack on the infrastructure of a sovereign country is outside international law and the UN Charter. Also he states that spying is not considered an attack, unlike this action which causes destruction of infrastructure and possibly deaths.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

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    Do you mean the Korean War, or prior to that?
    Oh definitely prior to that, though our media and dissidents spoke of President W. Bush as 'regime change', that trend had been an American staple for a century prior. The NYT must have forgot about their archives. Though to be honest as well serious, during the time of the first American foreign regime changes, our press wasn't exactly condemning the government for it.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Law professor and retired general Charles Dunlap thinks this attack on the infrastructure of a sovereign country is outside international law and the UN Charter. Also he states that spying is not considered an attack, unlike this action which causes destruction of infrastructure and possibly deaths.

    Legal Consequences Of A Cyber-Attack | PRI's The World
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Don't kid yourself - spies blew things up, too.
    According to the retired General, spying is not considered an attack under the UN Charter.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    According to the retired General, spying is not considered an attack under the UN Charter.
    Good! Then if Flame comes back as being ours, which I suspect it may be, then no one will hit the roof over it.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Good! Then if Flame comes back as being ours, which I suspect it may be, then no one will hit the roof over it.
    That is not the opinion of Law Professor and retired General Dunlap.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is not the opinion of Law Professor and retired General Dunlap.
    But Flame is just a spy. It doesn't destroy anything at all - it just records stuff and sends it back to it's server.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But Flame is just a spy. It doesn't destroy anything at all - it just records stuff and sends it back to it's server.
    "The so-called Flame malware is said by internet security experts to be 20 times more disruptive to computer systems than Stuxnet. Compared with Stuxnet, which inflicted serious Iranian technical damage nearly two years ago, the latest malware can be seen as virtual weapon of mass destruction."
    War on Iran: US Computer Virus "Weapon of Mass Destruction" | Scoop News

    "A Russian computer firm has discovered a new computer virus with unprecedented destructive potential which could be used as a “cyberweapon” by the West and Israel against foes such as Iran.'
    New computer virus potential destructive to Iran | The Raw Story
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Inspections, yes, but taken enough readings to make a signature? Doubtful.

    Whether the Russians choose to cooperate or not would depend on our relations with them at the time. Last year they may have cooperated. Right now they'd probably tell us to take a hike.
    Tell me, are you a supporter of the IAEA?

    And regarding Russia - since the situation we're discussing is hypothetical (nuclear detonation), all we can do is use common sense and historical examples to guide our speculative hypothesis. Obviously, if the situation is as you claim it to be: Russia being the only other entity to know Iran's nuclear John Hancock, and there were to be a nuclear explosion, there would be calls from just about every country, including, and as I said, an irate United States, for the Russians to hand over said evidence. In my mind, I envision the Russians attempting to broker a deal on missile defense, which would infuriate US leaders, who would threaten 'full options'. The Russians would cave, not willing to risk nuclear War. They've always blinked.

    But. I believe the IAEA has Iran's nuclear signature, which would mean that the US does too.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Don't kid yourself - spies blew things up, too.
    I would also add that spies disrupt infrastructure which can lead to death.
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