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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Then you don't support America's number 1, leading export.


    Warfare.

    I think the libertarians have it right on this one, that like the Constitution proscribes, the military should be for defense, not to establish U.S. hegemony in the world.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    How many visits have there been in the past ~20 months? Russia may have enough data on it to pin down any enriched fuel that comes from it but I doubt anyone else does.
    Like I said, the IAEA have performed inspections...and yeah, the Russians, who would be under considerable pressure from many countries, including an irate US, would spill the beans. Why risk entangling nonsense with the Americans over Iran when you might be able to share the spoils with them?

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the libertarians have it right on this one, that like the Constitution proscribes, the military should be for defense, not to establish U.S. hegemony in the world.
    There's a clear marker in US history when the United States military went from being for strictly defense to, among other things, securing business interests and projecting its influence outward.

    Use of U.S. Forces Abroad

    ^ That link demonstrates that talking point.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    There's a clear marker in US history when the United States military went from being for strictly defense to, among other things, securing business interests and projecting its influence outward.

    Use of U.S. Forces Abroad

    ^ That link demonstrates that talking point.
    Do you mean the Korean War, or prior to that?
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    There's a clear marker in US history when the United States military went from being for strictly defense to, among other things, securing business interests and projecting its influence outward.

    Use of U.S. Forces Abroad

    ^ That link demonstrates that talking point.
    Excellent link. However, I think the first entry shows that we used our military to protect our business interests. Wasn't the Franco-American war fought over trade routes? The French were raiding our routes to Britain because they felt we still owed them money from 1776.

    Granted, President Adams called it a defense.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    I'll admit, I actually see this as a step forward. For two reasons. First, cyber attacks don't leave a bodycount. It's certainly an improvement to a physical attack where people are shooting at or bombing each other. Second, I'm somewhat pleased that the USA has supremacy in whatever cyber arms race may be taking place, as the damage such an attack can cause is substantial. I prefer this to an actual war with Iran with bullets and bombs.

    Not that I actually fear Iran, even with nuclear weapons. Attacking us with them would be all kinds of stupid. If any middle eastern nation were to use nuclear weapons, they would most likely be used in a Sunni vs Shia battle against other middle easterners, far from North America. I think that's even more likely than a move against Israel, since such a move would invariably earn our ire, whereas infighting between Muslim nations might not. But this is a tangent.

    I think I'm truly not outraged or upset at this at all. If this is the new warfare, it's a vast improvement over the old warfare.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'll admit, I actually see this as a step forward. For two reasons. First, cyber attacks don't leave a bodycount. It's certainly an improvement to a physical attack where people are shooting at or bombing each other. Second, I'm somewhat pleased that the USA has supremacy in whatever cyber arms race may be taking place, as the damage such an attack can cause is substantial. I prefer this to an actual war with Iran with bullets and bombs.

    Not that I actually fear Iran, even with nuclear weapons. Attacking us with them would be all kinds of stupid. If any middle eastern nation were to use nuclear weapons, they would most likely be used in a Sunni vs Shia battle against other middle easterners, far from North America. I think that's even more likely than a move against Israel, since such a move would invariably earn our ire, whereas infighting between Muslim nations might not. But this is a tangent.

    I think I'm truly not outraged or upset at this at all. If this is the new warfare, it's a vast improvement over the old warfare.

    The illegality of it is not a problem?
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The illegality of it is not a problem?
    Com'on, man, spies have been around forever. If they're caught they're shot or held for future exchange. This is no different except there's no bodies involved.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Like I said, the IAEA have performed inspections...and yeah, the Russians, who would be under considerable pressure from many countries, including an irate US, would spill the beans. Why risk entangling nonsense with the Americans over Iran when you might be able to share the spoils with them?
    Inspections, yes, but taken enough readings to make a signature? Doubtful.

    Whether the Russians choose to cooperate or not would depend on our relations with them at the time. Last year they may have cooperated. Right now they'd probably tell us to take a hike.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    It doesn't matter who was attacked in this instance, only that an international precedent is being set, and that the USA will have no moral high ground to protest any such attacks upon them.
    You make the error in assuming that there is a moral high ground, and that we should assume it. There also is no precedent being set here, this is not new. The Chinese, Russians, and others have already been carrying out attacks on the US for years.
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