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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    That argument is ridiculous - why would Iran produce nuclear weapons from their own facilities, which would label the bomb, and then give it away to someone else? So when the terrorists used the bomb, everyone would know it came from an Iranian site. Okay...

    Quit being mislead by the media, man.

    This War with Iran is not about nuclear weapons.

    Think about that.

    The United States has nuclear weapons.

    Israel does too.

    Even if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, they would not pose much of a threat to Israel, their defense, or their revamped (pending Senate passing - H.R. 4133) aid packages from the United States.

    The CIA and Mossad have already said the Iranian regime ain't building a bomb.


    To hell with the moral high ground...

    Good grief.
    Why do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons? How do you think that enhances the chances for peace in the Middle east?

    There isn't a doubt in my mind that if Iran got nuclear weapons, they'd find a little bit for their friends in Hezbollah or any one of the other terrorist groups they fund.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So ... What do you think it is about?
    Regime change.

    Retired General Wesley Clark has spoken about "seven countries in five years."

    We're seeing those plans come to fruition.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Why do you want Iran to have nuclear weapons? How do you think that enhances the chances for peace in the Middle east?

    There isn't a doubt in my mind that if Iran got nuclear weapons, they'd find a little bit for their friends in Hezbollah or any one of the other terrorist groups they fund.
    1. I'd prefer if they didn't, but I don't want to see someone's sovereignty raped over it. Besides, the hypocrisy and double standards of the situation is sickening.
    2. How does Israel having nuclear weapons enhance peace in the Middle East? And you speak as if Iran is the only thing holding back peace in the region...
    3. Believe what you want, but those are the same tired arguments people made when everyone else joined the club. You're just falling for the War Mongering.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post

    Again you are not charged with the protection of the US.


    Last time I looked, the military is under civilian command and paid for by US taxpayers.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Which weapons did we supply to Iran?
    I said Iraq, not Iran.

    "The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism."

    "Saddam Hussein's government officially blamed Iran for the attack. The international response at the time was muted and the United States even suggested Iran was responsible.[13] The United States government, which at the time was allied with Iraq in its war with Iran, said the images could not be verified to be the responsibility of Iraq."

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And you would be wrong. The Japanese fought to the last man on every single island we invaded, and you believe that they would have surrendered the sacred homeland without a fight. You are seriously deluded. In fact, they came very close to not surrendering even after the bombs were dropped. I've had this argument so many times with America-haters that it's hardly worth my time any more. So you believe what you want, regardless of history or facts.
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    "...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.

    "During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."

    - Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380

    In a Newsweek interview, Eisenhower again recalled the meeting with Stimson:

    "...the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."

    - Ike on Ike, Newsweek, 11/11/63"

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Last time I looked, the military is under civilian command and paid for by US taxpayers.
    Which makes the taxpayer the guarantor of military expenditures.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I said Iraq, not Iran.

    "The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism."

    "Saddam Hussein's government officially blamed Iran for the attack. The international response at the time was muted and the United States even suggested Iran was responsible.[13] The United States government, which at the time was allied with Iraq in its war with Iran, said the images could not be verified to be the responsibility of Iraq."

    Halabja poison gas attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The "funny" thing is, we also supplied Iran during the same War. Israel did too, so there is no telling how many arms we (in)directly gave them.

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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Which makes the taxpayer the guarantor of military expenditures.
    It makes civilians the military's boss.
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    Re: Massive cyber attack on Iran came from U.S., report says

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    That argument is ridiculous - why would Iran produce nuclear weapons from their own facilities, which would label the bomb, and then give it away to someone else? So when the terrorists used the bomb, everyone would know it came from an Iranian site. Okay...
    How's that? Without enough information about the reactor there would be no way to tell any device or material came from their reactor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The United States has nuclear weapons.

    Israel does too.
    There's circumstantial evidence only, no verifiable proof.
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