Page 22 of 26 FirstFirst ... 122021222324 ... LastLast
Results 211 to 220 of 253

Thread: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

  1. #211
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:59 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,158

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Many kids are raised in one parent homes and they turn out just fine.. and many kids are raised by two parents and end up screwed up. Just because mom and dad are in the home, doesn't mean its a loving home. How many kids live in two parent homes where they witness domestic violence daily?
    Yes, I've heard the laundry-list of exceptions ad naseum. So what?

  2. #212
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:59 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,158

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You are wrong. Your entire view is based on an assumption and an overly broad one.

    If there wasn't over 40 years of science showing that children can be raised by same sex couples then you might have a point, but you come across as a person in complete denial when you ignore all that and make over generalized claims that are supported by nothing but your personal opinion.

    When are you going to accept it? You want to believe that a child is always best served being raised by their natural parents. It isn't a matter of what is true, it is only a matter of what you want to believe. And when you choose to believe what you want to believe over what is true, you are delusional.
    Again, jumping to conclusions. You all are great at that. When did I say that a child is ALWAYS best served being raised by their natural parents? Obviously, if the child's parents don't wish to raise it, then the child is better off elsewhere. Nonetheless, a child has a right to be raised by both natural parents. Whenever possible, that is the best situation for the child.

  3. #213
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    When did I say that a child is ALWAYS best served being raised by their natural parents? Obviously, if the child's parents don't wish to raise it, then the child is better off elsewhere. Nonetheless, a child has a right to be raised by both natural parents. Whenever possible, that is the best situation for the child.
    You contradict yourself in the same paragragh.

    If the natural parents are not the best to raise the child (for a situation), then you cannot say that the best situation for the child is to be raised by the natural parents.

  4. #214
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm guessing that last clause will go down also, it seems to be in violation of the Full Faith and Credit clause of the constitution.

    Glad to see some more movement on this.
    No. Congress got around that through the Defense of Marriage Act which is an amendment to the Constitution without actually amending the Constitution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  5. #215
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,544

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You contradict yourself in the same paragragh.

    If the natural parents are not the best to raise the child (for a situation), then you cannot say that the best situation for the child is to be raised by the natural parents.
    Especially if the "natural parents" are A) no longer together, B) not able to financially handle that task and C) would require that the child be raised by a single parent with public assistance. We now have WAY too many children being born by out-of-wedlock mothers 70% of black children, 50% of hispanic children and 30% of white children. Adoption and foster care are not ideal, but are often far better options than being raised by eneducated, non-working single parent that has little likelyhood of changing that situation as the most likely path for their own biological offspring.
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 06-04-12 at 10:21 AM.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  6. #216
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:59 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,158

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No children don't have that right, not with the laws we have now in place. Children can be put up for adoption by their parents. Children can be taken from their parents by the state to be put up for adoption when the parents are deemed unfit. No single parent is required to either stay married to or get married to the other biological parent of a child. Parents can choose how much they contribute to the raising of any child, including absolutely none. Opposite sex couples who are infertile or unable to have children between them are completely allowed to use either a surrogate mother, a donated egg, or donated sperm to have children and the biological parent will have little to no rights to that child.
    By your reasoning, there must be no right to marry, either - given that one person can choose to divorce the other?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You are not making any case here. Nothing you said relates to my argument. The argument is that people in similar situations, in accordance with a particular law, have to be treated the equally under the law. The only way the state can justify not treating those people the same is by proving that by not treating them equally they are furthering some state interest.
    It relates perfectly to your argument. Laws that grant remove/privilges are generally imperfect - your claims of "blatant bias" simply aren't credible. Given that you think "procreation alone is not really a state interest to begin with" - it would seem to make more sense to drop all the talk of childless heterosexual couples and apply the "similarly situated" argument to marriage in general.

  7. #217
    Sage
    Taylor's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    US
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:59 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,158

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You contradict yourself in the same paragragh.

    If the natural parents are not the best to raise the child (for a situation), then you cannot say that the best situation for the child is to be raised by the natural parents.
    Whenever possible, that is the best situation for the child.

  8. #218
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Whenever possible, that is the best situation for the child.
    No it isn't, because sometimes the natural parents AREN'T the best situation for the child even though it's possible for them to raise the child.

  9. #219
    Educator Flippinfunky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Seattle, WA (Raised in SW Oklahoma)
    Last Seen
    08-01-12 @ 06:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    883

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, I've heard the laundry-list of exceptions ad naseum. So what?
    What do you mean "so what?" You think it's better for a child to live with two parents who are incapable of showing each other love? I was raised in a broken home...not just once, but several times. I watched my mom get beat like she was a man by damn near every boyfriend/husband she had. Trust me when I say: kids would rather come from a broken home than live in one.

    As I said, living together or not, gay or straight, kids need love, stability and security.....and, they need their parents to respect each other (living together or not).
    Silly poor people
    Tax cuts are for the rich!

  10. #220
    Guru

    Join Date
    May 2012
    Last Seen
    05-19-14 @ 03:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    3,083

    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Where is marriage given over to the government in the constitution I'm confused?

Page 22 of 26 FirstFirst ... 122021222324 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •