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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    What criteria should we use to determine this "MORALITY"?

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You know what I find interesting..... The fact that I can willingly claim that a new Constitution would be a good idea to support my viewpoint on this issue, but you folks on the left are still unwilling to indicate that much of your legislative and philosophical agenda should require at least a Constitutional Amendment to make legitimate.
    Exactly. Given the current TEMPORARY slant of the SCOTUS many seek to use it in place of constitutional amendment. If the constitution can be "interpretted" to allow this, such as in Roe vs. Wade, then we are left with essentially no constitution at all. What is so sacred about a "partnership" of only two persons in a marraige? If gender is not "important" then why not simply make marraige the same as any business "partnership" contract and allow any number of partners of any gender? Polygamy is much more common than SSM worldwide, and removes all bias and social, moral or religious barriers from a "traditional" marraige contract. Law should say what it means and mean what is says (eliminating the need for most lawyers).
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional


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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly. Given the current TEMPORARY slant of the SCOTUS many seek to use it in place of constitutional amendment. If the constitution can be "interpretted" to allow this, such as in Roe vs. Wade, then we are left with essentially no constitution at all. What is so sacred about a "partnership" of only two persons in a marraige? If gender is not "important" then why not simply make marraige the same as any business "partnership" contract and allow any number of partners of any gender?
    This is a complicated issue, but I believe that denying ANYBODY any rights that others have deprives them of equality, which according to the 14th Amendment to the Constitution makes DOMA unconstitutional. But don't take my word for it. 2 out of 3 of the judges who ruled were appointed by Reagan and Bush I, respectively, and are fairly strict constructionists. For this reason, I believe that SCOTUS will uphold the ruling that was handed down today.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    And of course,you get to dictate MORALITY for everybody. What criteria should we use to determine this "MORALITY"?
    How about a couple thousand years of human history, that worked out pretty well compared to the last century and a half which hasn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Seems to me more and more people don't seem to have a problem with gays.
    Under the current structure neither I nor anyone else can prevent those people from making poor decisions like that.

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    How about a couple thousand years of human history, that worked out pretty well compared to the last century and a half which hasn't.



    Under the current structure neither I nor anyone else can prevent those people from making poor decisions like that.
    Your choice of the phrase "Those people" tells me everything I need to know about what you are posting here.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then maybe it's time to scrap the old Constitution and write one where the invocation of MORALITY as the highest Legal determinator is more clearly defined.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Tigger's of course.
    Never saw Tiger coming in to support a theocracy. Color me shocked.

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Note, for some who are having trouble with the issue --

    This ruling is not based on discrimination by sex (gender).

    This ruling is based on discrimination against homosexuality.

    This has been true of every ruling.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Exactly. Given the current TEMPORARY slant of the SCOTUS many seek to use it in place of constitutional amendment. If the constitution can be "interpretted" to allow this, such as in Roe vs. Wade, then we are left with essentially no constitution at all. What is so sacred about a "partnership" of only two persons in a marraige? If gender is not "important" then why not simply make marraige the same as any business "partnership" contract and allow any number of partners of any gender? Polygamy is much more common than SSM worldwide, and removes all bias and social, moral or religious barriers from a "traditional" marraige contract. Law should say what it means and mean what is says (eliminating the need for most lawyers).
    DOMA and other bans against SSM violate the 14th amendment. So there.
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