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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    And your stance on polygamy? Business partnerships have no limits on the number partners or their genders. What compelling state reason bars mutiple partners in only marraige contracts, since we got that sexual reproduction "detail" out of the way?
    There is a lack of evidence that polygamy relationships promote social stability or create good environments for raising children, and there is some evidence that in fact polygamy is harmful.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    Then maybe it's time to scrap the old Constitution and write one where the invocation of MORALITY as the highest Legal determinator is more clearly defined.
    Invoking morality to impose one's preferences would be a recipe for totalitarianism. Using often abstract and subjective concepts to impose one's preferences would be no more beneficial to a free society than advocating the opposite extreme of abolishing all laws whatsoever. In the former case, oppressive rules would suffocate individual freedom. In the latter case, the absence of protection from others using their freedom to impair the freedom of others, would suffocate freedom. Hence, societies have tried to strike a balance, not deliberately to deprive people of freedom, but to safeguard it for all.

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    OK, go look at the post again. Notice that it contains a quote of something you wrote. That should be a big hint.
    Just answer the question. All you did was post a link to Perry v. Schwarzenegger in response to a post of mine which said several things.

    What isn't accurate, and what in the Perry decision shows it?
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're going to have to explain what you mean better than that, because it's not clear from your posts.
    Let me try again: The claim that gender discrimination is part of rulings on DOMA is false. No one who has looked at the cases makes that claim. As I pointed out earlier, if you are just talking DOMA, then you are correct, it is not based on gender discrimination. That is Perry V Schwarzenegger(which is actually called something else now but I forget what) that the ruling involved gender discrimination.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now that's just silly. Not having children starving also promotes social stability. There is not only one way to or one area in which we do this.
    But without financial reward there would be far, far less of them. Look at the statistics for out-of-wedlock childbirth after AFDC.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You're going to have to explain what you mean better than that, because it's not clear from your posts.
    I would add that gender is not a valid argument against discrimination either because both men and women are barred from marrying same gender. Now, if men were allowed to marry both women, and men, and women were only allowed to marry just men, then Walker would have been correct, but since both genders are equally discriminated against there is no 14th challenge in my opinion.

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    How bout we point to where the government gets to regulate marriage in the first place?

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Invoking morality to impose one's preferences would be a recipe for totalitarianism. Using often abstract and subjective concepts to impose one's preferences would be no more beneficial to a free society than advocating the opposite extreme of abolishing all laws whatsoever. In the former case, oppressive rules would suffocate individual freedom. In the latter case, the absence of protection from others using their freedom to impair the freedom of others, would suffocate freedom. Hence, societies have tried to strike a balance, not deliberately to deprive people of freedom, but to safeguard it for all.
    You have to remember that I'm an Authoritarian and not a very strong believer in the idea of individual Freedom.

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The claim that gender discrimination is part of rulings on DOMA is false.
    Yes, it is false. Did I say otherwise?


    No one who has looked at the cases makes that claim.
    When looking at the totality of the rulings about SSM, yes, they have. This ruling is only one.


    That is Perry V Schwarzenegger(which is actually called something else now but I forget what) that the ruling involved gender discrimination.
    No, the ruling was not based on that. The court said that discrimination against homosexual couples was equivalent to that, from a legal analysis perspective (i.e., the same rules apply), but they specifically did NOT rule based on gender discrimination. It was about homosexuality.
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