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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Even if this is true, they still have to work within the constructs of the law, and arguing on the basis of discrimination against homosexuals IS the weaker course.


    Tell that to those who have insisted that the rulings have been about gender discrimination, and not discrimination against homosexuality.
    And your stance on polygamy? Business partnerships have no limits on the number partners or their genders. What compelling state reason bars mutiple partners in only marraige contracts, since we got that sexual reproduction "detail" out of the way?
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    So do title 9 (separte but equal?), different age limits for taxation, voting, drinking & 2nd amemdment rights and affirmative action (race based preference?) laws. A lot of unequal treatment exists in law yet has been held constituional.
    Correct. However, discrimination under the law is subject to varrying levels of legal scrutiny. You can't just discriminate because you want to.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    How about the desire for sexual reproduction, clearly a state interest by increasing the population/tax base.
    Reproduction is not a legal requirement of marriage in any state, and same sex couples can and do have children.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    And your stance on polygamy? Business partnerships have no limits on the number partners or their genders. What compelling state reason bars mutiple partners in only marraige contracts, since we got that sexual reproduction "detail" out of the way?
    What is it in my posts which prompts you to ask me this?
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    You are real good friends of Mr. Strawman.
    As was your argument that adding SSM will somehow promote stability in society.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

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    Then what compelling state interest is served by giving tax breaks to the married? Does that then not amount to simple discrimination against the non-married, if no compelling state interest is served by that discrimination? What compelling state interest is served by the taxation of those too young to vote (taxation w/o representation)?
    This is directly addressed in Perry v Schwarzenegger. The reason given is to promote marriage itself, which is a more stable form of relationship and benefits child rearing, social stability etc.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which claim?
    The one I quoted:

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    How is it not obvious?

    There are some who insist the rulings have not been based on discrimination against homosexuality, but on sex-based discrimination against those who wish to marry the same gender.

    I'm pointing out that they're wrong.

    Do you disagree?
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What isn't accurate?
    OK, go look at the post again. Notice that it contains a quote of something you wrote. That should be a big hint.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As was your argument that adding SSM will somehow promote stability in society.
    No it's not. Please look up what the logical fallacy strawman actually means.
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    Re: Court: Heart of gay marriage law unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The one I quoted:
    You're going to have to explain what you mean better than that, because it's not clear from your posts.
    It's not "tolerance" if you already approve of what you purport to "tolerate."

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