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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    I sometimes wonder if it is a back handed attempt to get people to spend more money because now they will have to purchase multiple cups,. bottles whatever. So in a fast food joint, even more people will opt to go thru the drive thru and will not bother with the drinks at all and take their meal home and crack open however many cans of soda they want to drink. Just like everything else, the idiots that have bought their way to the top don't know shyt and it will backfire. Just like the wicked cig tax increases, which led so many to do the roll your own thing at a price per pack that would be equal to about 1990 prices lol. It didn't curb smoking as much and the gov't ended up taking a huge hit twice tax wise, because now they are getting less revenue from business that sells factory packed smokes as well as so much less that is being bought that way. NYS has among the highest in fees for commercial trucking, so companies hire out of state for their shipping needs. NYS loses twice because they are supposedly so clever with their stratospheric taxes and fees.

    I am sure most people at one point watched a business go under because they priced themselves out of the market and ended up going belly up. Liberal government does the same exact thing.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I sometimes wonder if it is a back handed attempt to get people to spend more money because now they will have to purchase multiple cups,. bottles whatever. So in a fast food joint, even more people will opt to go thru the drive thru and will not bother with the drinks at all and take their meal home and crack open however many cans of soda they want to drink. Just like everything else, the idiots that have bought their way to the top don't know shyt and it will backfire.
    Yeah, it's a conspiracy by "Big Soda"

    Just like the wicked cig tax increases, which led so many to do the roll your own thing at a price per pack that would be equal to about 1990 prices lol. It didn't curb smoking as much and the gov't ended up taking a huge hit twice tax wise, because now they are getting less revenue from business that sells factory packed smokes as well as so much less that is being bought that way. NYS has among the highest in fees for commercial trucking, so companies hire out of state for their shipping needs. NYS loses twice because they are supposedly so clever with their stratospheric taxes and fees.

    I am sure most people at one point watched a business go under because they priced themselves out of the market and ended up going belly up. Liberal government does the same exact thing.
    Umm, smoking has gone down.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So? There's no right to a free market.
    Since you mark yourself as Libertarian-Left, let me ask you this. How do you justify this legislation as a libertarian?

    Would you be more for a "sin tax"?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Since you mark yourself as Libertarian-Left, let me ask you this. How do you justify this legislation as a libertarian?

    Would you be more for a "sin tax"?
    Yeah, sin tax...like here with smoking... it's a total cash cow.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The govt makes personal decisions all the time for us, and that's a good thing. For example, govt has decided that you do not have the freedom to rape people.

    Most of us realize that this is A Good Thing...libertarians, not so much


    Bud, that's comparing apples to atom bombs, and you knew that when you wrote it I'm sure.

    No comparison at all.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, it's a conspiracy by "Big Soda"



    Umm, smoking has gone down.


    Smoking went down.... to a point. There are still LOTS of people who smoke. Many have gone to roll-your-own, or cigars or pipes which are not as heavily taxed yet. Those who were going to quit over price mostly already have. Those who remain aren't likely to quit, but simply engage in tax-avoidance behaviors like rolling your own cigs at 1/3rd the price. Tax that and they'll find another way around it.

    I've noticed a lot more young people smoking in recent years than was the case about a decade ago... wonder if it has anything to do with the societal demonization of tobacco, leading it to be one of those "alluring taboo" items.


    Bottom line... it isn't government's business to make healthy decisions FOR me. If it were, they'd send me a menu every week and tell me that was what I had to eat. You want that?

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Flippinfunky View Post
    Yeah, sin tax...like here with smoking... it's a total cash cow.


    If they taxed a can of beer at the same rate they tax a pack of cigs, the rednecks would be hanging Congressmen from lampposts by the Statehouse. That's why they don't do it....

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Since you mark yourself as Libertarian-Left, let me ask you this. How do you justify this legislation as a libertarian?
    Don't trust the lean. I change it from week to week because I'm actually a neo-anti-federalist (my own designation). I support the dual federalism that was extant at the time the country was founded up until the civil war. I feel that it's extremely unfortunate that this style of government was destroyed by being usurped by people who wished to enslave their fellow man, and later by people who wished to subjugate others based on race because with regard to non-human rights issues, it equates to a much happier populace as a whole.

    As I have noted repeatedly, though, I think this law is extremely stupid and I would not wish to see it enacted in Chicago where I live.

    Would you be more for a "sin tax"?
    I don't really care what New York does. I'd rather not see either in Chicago, but my guess is that they go the route of the tax here, since they love gouging people for money that they can waste/pocket.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So let's review Bloomberg the statist tyrant king douche....



    NY Mayor Bloomberg Follows Soda Ban With…National Donut Day? | Mediaite



    Chocolate coconut donut

    550 calories....

    Donuts | Dunkin' Donuts



    32 oz. (double the moron's soda limit)


    330 calories....


    Calories in McDonald's Beverages - Coke - Large 32 oz cup - Nutrition Facts & Other Nutritional Information | LIVESTRONG.COM



    So you statist asshole, you want to explain why you aren't a totalitarian hypocrite?





    And so, the next time I am at Yankees stadium, I can buy a 32 oz beer (2 beer limit per transaction, for a total of 64 oz), But I am limited to one 16 oz of soda? Good thing I take the ****ing train from irvington, NY.... /facepalm



    Bloomberg defends supporting Donut Day while banning sugary drinks* - NY Daily News



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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If they taxed a can of beer at the same rate they tax a pack of cigs, the rednecks would be hanging Congressmen from lampposts by the Statehouse. That's why they don't do it....



    It's funny, NY has some of the highest taxes on tobacco, and admits they would suffer if people actually stopped smoking....


    True story, there is a bill before the NJ legislature wanting to fine you and I up to a grand if we don't seatbelt our dogs and cats....


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