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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Probably because, it's not the libertarians who are "looney", but the individual, who for some reason, didn't get what the libertarian was talking about when he discussed liberty...



    Here let me help you with a definition, so that you may up your status in this conversation, and join us at the level everyone else is.


    personal liberty 
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    the liberty of an individual to do his or her will freely except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others.

    Personal liberty | Define Personal liberty at Dictionary.com


    I hope that this endeavors you to find what you are so obviously, missing.
    That definition is definitely not what those libertarians were referring to because they clearly rejected the restraints imposed by law. In fact, they completely rejected the idea that the law had any legitimacy and authority to "rule" them. Maybe you should try actually reading what's been posted in this thread.

    I hope that this endeavors helps you to find what you are so obviously missing.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You have an odd understanding of what insurance is

    True, overweight people are at a higher risk, but insurance is meant to spread and equalize the costs.
    Not an odd understanding, a perfect understanding actually. In any insurance situation higher risk means the person pays higher premiums.
    A bad driver pays higher car insurance rates.
    Healthier, younger people pay lower life insurance rates that old unhealthy people.
    Hell bad credit can make you pay higher car insurance rates.
    Why should health insurance be any different?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That definition is definitely not what those libertarians were referring to because they clearly rejected the restraints imposed by law. In fact, they completely rejected the idea that the law had any legitimacy and authority to "rule" them. Maybe you should try actually reading what's been posted in this thread.

    I hope that this endeavors helps you to find what you are so obviously missing.
    personal liberty 
    noun
    the liberty of an individual to do his or her will freely except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others.

    How does a drinking sugary drinks affect OTHERS? it doesn't. It affects the person consuming the beverage.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That definition is definitely not what those libertarians were referring to because they clearly rejected the restraints imposed by law. In fact, they completely rejected the idea that the law had any legitimacy and authority to "rule" them. Maybe you should try actually reading what's been posted in this thread.

    I hope that this endeavors helps you to find what you are so obviously missing.


    It would mean I would have to read more of your posts.... No thanks man. I can see it's been clearly explained to you, discussion, is not your motivation here.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You have an odd understanding of what insurance is

    True, overweight people are at a higher risk, but insurance is meant to spread and equalize the costs.

    But either way, it seems we can can agree a few things

    1) Limiting liberty is not inherently wrong
    2) Limiting liberty is a legitimate function of govt (depending on the circumstances)
    3) Limiting choice is not inherently wrong and is a legitimate govt function (again, depending on the circumstances)
    Limiting liberty, limiting choice is only acceptable if that liberty impinges on the rights of others. Limiting choice when only the chooser has to accept the results of those choices is not the job of the government. The "your freedom ends where my nose begins" principle is the real test of whether a law is acceptable or not.

    As for insurance, there is nothing wrong with charging more for those whose choices have put them at greater risk. If a driver chooses to speed and get tickets, then he's at greater risk of an accident, and is going to pay more for insurance than someone who does not. If a person drinks sugary drinks by the barrel, he's at greater risk for diabetes, obesity, and a host of related ailments and so should pay more for insurance.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Not an odd understanding, a perfect understanding actually. In any insurance situation higher risk means the person pays higher premiums.
    A bad driver pays higher car insurance rates.
    Healthier, younger people pay lower life insurance rates that old unhealthy people.
    Hell bad credit can make you pay higher car insurance rates.
    Why should health insurance be any different?
    Those are good points, but if you consider the amount of risk that being overweight (wrt diseases like diabetes and heart disease) represents:

    1) It is not possible to put a cost on it because medical science isn't clear about it
    2) The price would rise enough to have much of an impact
    3) It would require weighing people on a regular basis, which would raise the cost for everyone
    4) Some many of us are overweight (not me) that the main result would be for most people to pay more (meaning, it wouldn't raise the price much because so many would be splitting the costs of those diseases)
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Limiting liberty, limiting choice is only acceptable if that liberty impinges on the rights of others.
    Why is that?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's right!! If I choose to rape a little girl, why do we need the govt to step in and stop me?

    And people who think realize that the mayor doesn't make the law
    That is rediculous. My ability to drink a soda does not infringe on your rights. Raping a girl, infringes on her rights. What a joke.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    My ability to drink a soda does not infringe on your rights.
    Your ability to drink soda is not impeded in any way by this legislation.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    personal liberty 
    noun
    the liberty of an individual to do his or her will freely except for those restraints imposed by law to safeguard the physical, moral, political, and economic welfare of others.

    How does a drinking sugary drinks affect OTHERS? it doesn't. It affects the person consuming the beverage.
    The impact of obesity are well-established.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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