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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If I can show that it will affect me...either directly or indirectly then it is relevent to discuss.
    If you aren't psychic, you can only make the claim that it may effect you, directly or indirectly.

    relevant to discuss =/= pretending that it affects you.

    It doesn't have to even have the potential to affect you in order to be relevant to discuss. That's a far cry form pretending that there is some limitation placed upon you that doesn't exist.



    No one has said that it has affected them (not counting those that live there).
    False. Look at what I originally quoted that started this discussion. It's in the OP.

    That is the difference between your arguement and mine.
    My argument is based on what was said. I quoted that which was said. It's certianly not my fault if you have ignored that.

    I have already admitted that this particular law does not directly affect me.
    Then why are you arguing with me?

    I have also said that it could affect me indirectly and I showed how.
    I have merely pointed out that it doesn't affect you indirectly. Your legislators affect you directly. You have to affect them directly if you don't want such a law in your local area.

    Just because it is not known as fact does not make it a fallacy.
    Of course not. It's the fact that you are using the unknown nature as evidence to suggest the approach you are taking is correct that makes it fallacious. Especially when you use that unknown to ignore the evidence which suggests that it is not the correct approach.

    The thought process is based on probability which is based on several other factors...such as the knowledge that a politician knows that if they do something they know will be unpopular by a majority of people then they will be voted out. Which of course no politician wants unless they want to retire. So naturally they would not openly support such a policy...even if they personally think that such a policy is a good policy.
    Yep. That's why it's fallacious. You are using the unknown to ignore the known data in order to achieve the opposite conclusion from the logically valid one (failure,inability to cause politicians to lose their jobs, etc, etc.). You can't calculate the probability of success when no instances of success are known to exist. Well, you can, but that probability is 0.

    And based on probability?
    Since the only possible probability of success that can be achieved when the approach being assessed has 0 known instances of success and multiple known instances of failure is 0 probability of success, you are definitely not basing your belief on probability.



    Or we can continue to try and change peoples minds and change the law....and the politician.
    Sure, but one doesn't need to pretend that the law is directly or indirectly affecting them in some way to make that argument.

    As I already said, it is impossible to know everything that a politician will or will not do. You could soak up and know every single bit of information that is available and you still wouldn't know everything that a politician will or will not do. The only way to know everything that a politician will do is be that politician...which doesn't exactly help those that are not that politician does it?
    It doesn't take a genius to make an educated guess at which way the politician would lean. It really doesn't. Teh problem isn't th eimpossibility of knowing where a politician would go, it's that peopel are often too ****ing lazy to research their local politicians and focus primarily on national nonsense.



    Which is all that I do.
    If you are like me, and you choose to live in a place where your government is filled with idiots chosen by idiots, you'll never be a victim because you, like me, are responsible for your own situation.

    Knowing their stances on other issues does not help when they go after something that has nothing to do with those other issues.
    If they do something totally out of character, then by all means, get their ass out of office.

    Bold: That is the key word. "Most". Most does not equal "all".
    True. If they vote completely out of character, vot etheir ass out next go round and replace them with someone who will repeal the bad law.

    Also you may have a choice on where you live. Not everyone does. Particularly the poor and the infirm. Moving takes money. Not everyone has the money to move.
    Bull****. Everyone makes a choice. Even making a bunch of whiny ass excuses for not making a change is a choice.

    It's only silly if the chance of it being effective is 0%.
    Nonsense. It's silly if it wastes time that could be spent on more effective methods. It only has to be 1% less effective than the other method for it to hurt. The fact that it's probably a damned sight more than just 1% less effective than most other methods of creating change means it's almost certainly harmful to the cause.

    Also what is and what isn't effective can depend greatly on location.
    True, but the specific approach being discussed -impotent pissing and moaning- is pretty much just as ineffective no matter where you go.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The difference between your analogy and what is actually happening is that heroin, dead babies, and Bengal tiger penises is that those are completely illegal to buy. Where as a soda is a legal product.
    True. And people are not prevented from buying soda. Thank you for agreeing that there's no doubt that the whole "rights are being violated" nonsense is utterly false drivel.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True. And people are not prevented from buying soda. Thank you for agreeing that there's no doubt that the whole "rights are being violated" nonsense is utterly false drivel.
    just buy two sodas. problem solved.

    another mountain out of a molehill, from folks who are totally unaffected by the problem.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True, but the specific approach being discussed -impotent pissing and moaning- is pretty much just as ineffective no matter where you go.
    So what it all comes down to is "does "pissing and moaning"" work? If I show you a single case where pissing and moaning did indeed work would that satisfy you?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True. And people are not prevented from buying soda. Thank you for agreeing that there's no doubt that the whole "rights are being violated" nonsense is utterly false drivel.
    But they are prevented in buying one single item that is X amount of size.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    just buy two sodas. problem solved.

    another mountain out of a molehill, from folks who are totally unaffected by the problem.
    Why should a person have to buy two items when they only want one that is of a bigger size, and cheaper?

    And yeah..this may be a mole hill. But with bloombergs history it is quickly becoming a mountain.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So let's review Bloomberg the statist tyrant king douche....



    NY Mayor Bloomberg Follows Soda Ban With…National Donut Day? | Mediaite



    Chocolate coconut donut

    550 calories....

    Donuts | Dunkin' Donuts



    32 oz. (double the moron's soda limit)


    330 calories....


    Calories in McDonald's Beverages - Coke - Large 32 oz cup - Nutrition Facts & Other Nutritional Information | LIVESTRONG.COM



    So you statist asshole, you want to explain why you aren't a totalitarian hypocrite?





    And so, the next time I am at Yankees stadium, I can buy a 32 oz beer (2 beer limit per transaction, for a total of 64 oz), But I am limited to one 16 oz of soda? Good thing I take the ****ing train from irvington, NY.... /facepalm



    Bloomberg defends supporting Donut Day while banning sugary drinks* - NY Daily News
    Meh, Dunkin Donuts likely gave some money to his campaign, the pop companies should do the same and get their own day as well.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But they are prevented in buying one single item that is X amount of size.
    so what? I haven't heard any fellow NYers whine or bitch about this issue.

    no one really cares.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why should a person have to buy two items when they only want one that is of a bigger size, and cheaper?

    And yeah..this may be a mole hill. But with bloombergs history it is quickly becoming a mountain.
    who cares. I work with hundreds of NYers every day. This is NOT the main topic of discussion.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what it all comes down to is "does "pissing and moaning"" work? If I show you a single case where pissing and moaning did indeed work would that satisfy you?
    Of course not. "working every once in a blue moon" doesn't mean "effective". You might be able to show one or two instances of it working. If you include the hundreds, thousands, even hundreds of thousands of times it has failed miserably, it will always remain an ineffective strategy.
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