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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    In another thread, many rightwingers are saying it's OK for the govt to tell people what they can't eat if the govt is subsidizing their food purchases

    Since sugar is highly subsidized, those rightwingers should not have any problem with this legislation. However, as is often the case, the rightwingers don't like it when their so-called "principles" are applied to themselves
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/ny...ed-drinks.html

    So now I'm not allowed to buy a big coke at the movies if I want one? What's next, my quarter pounded with cheese will be reduced to a sixteenth pounder?

    Here's your nanny state liberals love so much. "Gimme money, gimme healthcare, gimme all day to sit on my butt, and if I get fat eating value meals, it's the government's fault."

    Sad. Pathetic. Is this really what we want government doing?
    I don't agree with this. People should be free to drink what they want. I'm a healthy person, so drinking a crap ton of sugary drink once in a while isn't going to affect me. This, to me, is a classic case of focusing too much on the symptom instead of the cause.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

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    Then you should be writing letters to your local representatives!
    Who says that I won't? Or that I haven't already? That is neither here nor there. This is a forum in which things get discussed.

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    So what? Are you saying it sucks to much to have to wait until your local government passes such a law in order to pretend to be a victim of this law so you feel the need to claim preemptive victim-hood by lying about how it affects you?
    Sorry, not lying. I've already explained why.

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    So your defense for pretending to be a victim is "We know it wasn't effective in the past with some similar issues, but we don't know that it was never effective so we should do it just in case."
    It's true isn't it? Do YOU know how often some stupid legislation has been stopped cold before it even started because people are doing the same thing?

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    Brilliant.
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    You do realize that if you had taken steps to get rid of the people who had passed that previous legislation, there's be some truth to the claim that they'd be up **** creek, right?
    Taking steps and having those steps successful are two different things. Also a politician does not always reveal everything that they are for or against. What are you going to do about that? Especially when its an off the wall piece of crap legislation.

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    That failure on the part of the electorate is why **** like this keeps passing.
    While true there is nothing that says that we can't try and have a stupid piece of legislation stopped.

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    Using the democratic system that we have in place by voting for people who would not support such legislation and convincing other people in your area to do the same when they vote.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't agree with this. People should be free to drink what they want. I'm a healthy person, so drinking a crap ton of sugary drink once in a while isn't going to affect me. This, to me, is a classic case of focusing too much on the symptom instead of the cause.
    what is the cause we are not focusing upon?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In another thread, many rightwingers are saying it's OK for the govt to tell people what they can't eat if the govt is subsidizing their food purchases

    Since sugar is highly subsidized, those rightwingers should not have any problem with this legislation. However, as is often the case, the rightwingers don't like it when their so-called "principles" are applied to themselves
    Except most right wingers don't support the subsidies...
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Indeed, some folks are just using this thread as an excuse to bash NYC.
    If it has good reason to be bashed then it should be bashed. Stop letting your mayor make reasons for bashing NYC and you won't have this problem.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    There's no right to sell whatever one wants to sell. Regulation of commerce is well within the government's purview.
    They are restricing only SOME sales, the product is legal, only the "serving size" is being changed, for SOME retailers. Buyng two 16 oz. cups of soda is legal, buying one 32 oz. cup of soda is not. That is insane, as now two cups (lids and straws) go to the landfill, the price goes up and NOBODY benefits. Think, before you drink, even koolaid (if it remains legal).
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

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    Except most right wingers don't support the subsidies...
    Actually, they do

    And most relevantly, the subsidies for sugar are strongly supported by the rightwing.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is the cause we are not focusing upon?
    The cause(s) of obesity.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's another measure that will do very little to motivate people to count calories and exercise. sustained weight loss requires both for most of us.

    putting calories on the menu next to the item is a much better tool. i think NYC has done this already. i support that one.

    people should be able to order as much food as they want, but they should know exactly what they're getting.
    I tend to agree. Even though I wouldn't be extremely against "sin taxes," I think the best means of handling obesity is by implementing solutions that don't limit peoples' actions. Putting calories on a menu is something that fits that definition and it also forces people to continuously see the ridiculousness of what they're putting in their bodies. I would think that more focus on maintaining a healthy body in school would be a nice solution as well.

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