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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It will prevent me if it goes into my area.
    This law will never affect you in your area if you don't live in New York. If you live in New York, then my comments don't apply to you.



    See the idea is to stop something from coming into your/my area before it gets there. How is this done? By pointing it out when it happens in other areas and by showing how it could affect a person personally.
    Like I said, piss and moan to your hearts content.

    In this case the person is me.
    Are you in New York?

    Use to be my state didn't have laws against smoking in private establishments. Washington State did though. Guess what...we now have a law against smoking in private establishments.
    So did pissing and moaning about how the law can affect a person personally prevent it? Probably not, since all the pissing and moaning around here about those bans didn't do anything to stop it from coming here to Illinois.

    That's why I suggest a more effective method.

    Applying something to oneself is a perfectly legitimate debate tactic.
    False. Using personal experience can be a legitimate debate tactic, when personal experience is relevant, but lying is never a legitimate debate tactic. If someone claims something affects them when it doesn't, they are lying.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The arguement I am making is that the people of New York City are having their freedom's restricted by an unelected, however appointed, board.
    Then what the hell are you responding to me for? It's not like I initiated this exchange.



    The rest of the stuff in your posts is off topic.
    If you didn't want to talk about the tangential topic I have been discussing, why the hell did you engage me in that discussion?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    This law will never affect you in your area if you don't live in New York. If you live in New York, then my comments don't apply to you.
    But one just like it may already be percolating in my representitives minds. And if they decide to try and get a similar law enacted because they like Bloombergs idea then by an indirect route that ban in NYC has affected me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So did pissing and moaning about how the law can affect a person personally prevent it? Probably not, since all the pissing and moaning around here about those bans didn't do anything to stop it from coming here to Illinois.
    Obviously it didn't no. But there is the off chance that it will. We have no idea how many laws have been stopped from even being suggested because the mayor or senator or whatever realized that if a particular law was enacted then they'd be up a chit creek.

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    That's why I suggest a more effective method.
    I must have missed this more effective method...what was it again?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But one just like it may already be percolating in my representitives minds.
    Then you should be writing letters to your local representatives!

    And if they decide to try and get a similar law enacted because they like Bloombergs idea then by an indirect route that ban in NYC has affected me.
    So what? Are you saying it sucks to much to have to wait until your local government passes such a law in order to pretend to be a victim of this law so you feel the need to claim preemptive victim-hood by lying about how it affects you?


    Obviously it didn't no. But there is the off chance that it will. We have no idea how many laws have been stopped from even being suggested because the mayor or senator or whatever realized that if a particular law was enacted then they'd be up a chit creek.
    So your defense for pretending to be a victim is "We know it wasn't effective in the past with some similar issues, but we don't know that it was never effective so we should do it just in case."

    Brilliant.

    You do realize that if you had taken steps to get rid of the people who had passed that previous legislation, there's be some truth to the claim that they'd be up **** creek, right?

    That failure on the part of the electorate is why **** like this keeps passing.


    I must have missed this more effective method...what was it again?
    Using the democratic system that we have in place by voting for people who would not support such legislation and convincing other people in your area to do the same when they vote.

    Do you really think impotent pissing and moaning while pretending to be a victim is the most effective method of getting certain legislation passed and preventing certain other legislation from being passed?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then what the hell are you responding to me for? It's not like I initiated this exchange.
    I responded to you because you made this statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You missed my point. New Yorkers can pretend it will prevent them from having a large pop.
    There is no pretend here. Their local government is removing freedom.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Indeed, some folks are just using this thread as an excuse to bash NYC.

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    There is no pretend here. Their local government is removing freedom.
    It's pretend. They can buy a two-liter and a 32.oz cup if they want. Nobody has a right to big gulps.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Indeed, some folks are just using this thread as an excuse to bash NYC.
    It fits that bill nicely, does it not? Who else elected these morons?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It's pretend. They can buy a two-liter and a 32.oz cup if they want. Nobody has a right to big gulps.
    What? What about the "rights" of those that now may legally sell them, that is the right being taken. "Porky" can still get all of the soda pop that they want, just no longer from SOME vendors, in a big cup. How can you call yourself a "libertarian" and allow the gov't to TRY to regulate the serving size of soda pop?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? What about the "rights" of those that now may legally sell them, that is the right being taken.
    There's no right to sell whatever one wants to sell. Regulation of commerce is well within the government's purview.
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