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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    If they can tell you what you can or can't put in your body eating or drinking why can't they tell you no abortions?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Let v>0 be the desired volume and s>0 the maximum serving size sold. Then for any choice of v and s, there exists an integer n such that v<s*n and hence the proposed solution of putting an upper bound on serving size does not accomplish the goal of limiting the amount of soda people can drink.

    For a small step in the right direction, I'd like to see them put up some billboards comparing pearly whites to the erosion that people have had in their teeth as a result of soda and other sugar sources.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Whether you should be able to go to that privately owned buisness and whether you have the right to go to that privately owned buisness are two very different things. Not to mention one is based on opinion.

    I mean seriously...do you even own stock in the Red Lobster franchise? Must less in that privately owned building?
    No, but I pay tax money that goes into funding medical care for people who get cancer from second hand smoke.

    Seriously, second hand smoke is dangerous, and the government is well within their rights to ban people from smoking in public buildings, because it is a danger to the other people around them, and not just themselves.
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    You need harsh laws if people can't get the message just like chewing gums are banned here cuz people spitting it all over the place and jamming train doors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    No, but I pay tax money that goes into funding medical care for people who get cancer from second hand smoke.

    Seriously, second hand smoke is dangerous, and the government is well within their rights to ban people from smoking in public buildings, because it is a danger to the other people around them, and not just themselves.
    OMG. Another "I pay taxes" blah blah blah. When the hell are people going to stop with that lame excuse? It seems that is the only excuse that people can come up with to support their arguements when they fail at actually supporting their arguements.

    Those that get help via government in the treatment of cancer also pay taxes. Which means they helped pay for thier treatments also. Those that smoke also help pay those bills via the extra tax that is already placed on cigarettes. And those that have no problem with smoking pay taxes also. How are your taxes any different than these people?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    OMG. Another "I pay taxes" blah blah blah. When the hell are people going to stop with that lame excuse? It seems that is the only excuse that people can come up with to support their arguements when they fail at actually supporting their arguements.

    Those that get help via government in the treatment of cancer also pay taxes. Which means they helped pay for thier treatments also. Those that smoke also help pay those bills via the extra tax that is already placed on cigarettes. And those that have no problem with smoking pay taxes also. How are your taxes any different than these people?
    That was only a very small part of my argument, my main point which you didn't address is that second hand smoke causes significant harm to people who do not engage in the act by merely being around people who do smoke. Why should someone else get cancer for another person's activity?
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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That was only a very small part of my argument, my main point which you didn't address is that second hand smoke causes significant harm to people who do not engage in the act by merely being around people who do smoke. Why should someone else get cancer for another person's activity?
    Do you have any proof whatsoever that second hand smoke causes cancer?

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    Re: New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    That was only a very small part of my argument, my main point which you didn't address is that second hand smoke causes significant harm to people who do not engage in the act by merely being around people who do smoke. Why should someone else get cancer for another person's activity?
    The fact that it causes cancer is irrelevent to the discussion. What is relevent is that you choose to go to an establishment that allows smoking. An establishment that is owned privately. If you choose to go to such a place knowing that second hand smoke can give you cancer then you accepted that possibility. You are responsible for your own health. Not anyone else. Just as I am responsible for my own health. Which ties this into the main topic of the thread. It is not right that Bloomberg ban privately owned buisnesses from selling what IS a legal product.

    See I would have far less of a problem if they made those products illegal period. Same goes for tobacco. I would be fine if they out right banned tobacco products. (I might be upset in both cases but at least they are not being hypocritical) But they haven't. As such laws such as banning smoking from private establishments and banning a food cart from selling a certain amount of a product in one go is wrong and takes peoples freedom of choice, freedom to use a legal product, away.

    Edit: I do apologize for focusing only on the tax arguement of yours. I'm just sick and tired of people using it when others on the other side of the aisle pay taxes to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Do you have any proof whatsoever that second hand smoke causes cancer?
    In enough quantity yes second hand smoke does cause cancer. I'm a smoker and I admit to it.
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