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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    it takes a special kind of evil to want to bomb millions of people back to the stone age. maybe you were being sarcastic, but I see far too many militant libertarians to give you the benefit of the doubt.
    I don't mean the Iranian people, I mean their military and nuclear installations.
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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I don't mean the Iranian people dingbat I mean their military.
    you said Iran needs to be bombed back to the stone age. there is only one way to interpret that, and it wouldn't be with precision strikes taking out only their military.

    to take a nation back to the stone ages, you are talking about taking out infrastructure, and making the nation as a whole pay.

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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    I don't mean the Iranian people, I mean their military and nuclear installations.
    Oh, so you only want to kill SOME people who aren't doing anything to harm you in any way. Murder is okay, so long as it's done vicariously through our military, and it's doubly okay if we only murder some people with no provocation at all. Got it.
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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For some satellite photos of Iran's activities:

    http://isis-online.org/uploads/isis-...ay_30_2012.pdf

    These activities are not the activities one normally witnesses around civilian nuclear facilities. How often does one witness such activity around European or U.S. nuclear plants? There is no benign explanation for them.
    oooh
    evidence
    evidence of nuclear weapons development

    buildings torn down. bulldozer tracks. dirt roads
    must be the iranians developing nuclear weapons
    such proof
    much less than what secretary of state Colin Powell presented to the UN insisting that the iraqis were developing nuclear weapons
    and we know how that turned out
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From MSNBC:



    World News - 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    If Iran's nuclear activities were truly within compliance of its NPT obligations, one very likely would not be witnessing the kind of activities described in this story. Given this latest development, I believe the operative assumption should be that Iran is engaging in illicit nuclear activities. Diplomatic and broader policy strategy should at least take into consideration such a scenario.
    Ask Colin Powell what he thinks about obvious satellite imagery.

    Bubba beat me to it.
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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Construction work most definitely proves the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program in violation of the NPT.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Construction work most definitely proves the existence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program in violation of the NPT.
    It doesn't prove the existence of such a program, but it is a worrisome development. First, the activities are unlike those one finds around the world's civilian nuclear installations. Second, what one has is evidence of attempts to "sanitize" sites. Third, those activities, including the razing of facilities, creates additional questions that IAEA must examine. Fourth, Iran's stonewalling inspections amplifies concerns. In short, even as the new data is not proof of such a program, it raises new questions. It most definitely does not make Iran a model of cooperation with regard to its international obligations.

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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    First, the activities are unlike those one finds around the world's civilian nuclear installations.
    Parchin is a military base, not a "nuclear installation". Further, Parchin as far as the IAEA has stated has never contained any nuclear material. The most that they have claimed is that there is a blast chamber at Parchin, over which the IAEA has no jurisdiction, even if they suspect it is linked to the Iranian nuclear program (about which they have provided zero evidence).

    Second, what one has is evidence of attempts to "sanitize" sites.
    There is absolutely no evidence that anyone is covering up anything. You are speculating that the presence of a bulldozer and the dismantling of small buildings at a military site is signs of a cover up when there is no indication to even suggest so.

    Fourth, Iran's stonewalling inspections amplifies concerns.
    This was already covered in another thread. Regardless, IAEA inspectors do not have complete open door access to anywhere in the country.

    The only people whose concerns would be amplified are those who consider the presence of a bulldozer and some construction work at a site completely unrelated to a nuclear program to be smoking gun evidence of a vast nuclear cover up by the Iranian government, i.e. loonies and liars.

    It most definitely does not make Iran a model of cooperation with regard to its international obligations.
    Iran has cooperated well within the bounds of its obligations to the international community.
    Last edited by Khayembii Communique; 05-31-12 at 10:19 PM.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Iran needs to be bombed back to the stone age.
    Not every problem can be solved with bombing.

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    Re: 'Very clear' signs of Iran sanitizing military site, Western diplomat says

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It doesn't prove the existence of such a program, but it is a worrisome development. First, the activities are unlike those one finds around the world's civilian nuclear installations. Second, what one has is evidence of attempts to "sanitize" sites. Third, those activities, including the razing of facilities, creates additional questions that IAEA must examine. Fourth, Iran's stonewalling inspections amplifies concerns. In short, even as the new data is not proof of such a program, it raises new questions. It most definitely does not make Iran a model of cooperation with regard to its international obligations.
    Blindly believing Iranian claims to "peaceful nuclear energy" is akin to Clinton et.al. believing those same claims from North Korea. The fact that Iran first invites IAEA inspections, while basically razing those sites the IAEA have requested access to is more than troubling. The international community dithers and hand-wrings because if it acknowledges the probable reality of the facts they are shown, then they must either embark on a stronger course of action or acknowledge that the UN and IAEA are toothless tigers with no realistic means of enforcing the international treaties which Iran, and others, have signed.

    This development is not surprising to me, nor will I be surprised when a "stunned" world is informed that Iran has tested its first nuclear weapon.

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