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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    I'm not a cyber security expert, but one of my CS courses taught us that no computer system can ever be 100% secure. The best you can do is obfuscate things so much (encryption, multiple gateways, etc.) that it *should* in practice be impossible for a hacker to reverse engineer their way in because of the complexity. But in theory if there's a front door (to allow for legitimate operations), it can always be exploited to create a back door.

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    I find the article highly misleading, particularly the title. They make it sound like Iran has some super weapon ready to strike, particularly for those who know little about computers, when in fact they have been struck with the super weapon themselves.

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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I find the article highly misleading, particularly the title. They make it sound like Iran has some super weapon ready to strike, particularly for those who know little about computers, when in fact they have been struck with the super weapon themselves.
    Correct. Completely misleading title...

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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I don't even know wtf you think I'm arguing. Are you really just disputing my assertion that length of code doesn't mean anything? Really?
    Here's two lines of code for you:

    No one gives a ****.

    Go read your wired article.

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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would argue that it is 'now'. As the world integrates and everything is digitized and then networked, this is warfare of the future. It doesn't matter if the enemy has an excellent IAD's network if you can broadcast a signal that causes every piece of hardware to fry itself.
    I agree. This cyberwarfare stuff is fascinating and it seems like we're just starting to brush the surface of what's capable.

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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    No one is 100% secure. The thing is, software can be written by anyone, ANYONE, with a computer, and about 500 bucks worth of software. Give one clever person 10 years, and they will craft a program that no one has seen before, with subsets and modules that are simply not predictable, and therefor, impossible to be scanned for. Me saying I run Linux, is a paper tiger. If everyone ran linux, guess what? People would write malware for linux. Windows happens to be the OS of choice, and therefor, is the target of all these aggressive programs.


    This is why we still use a paper ballet, why ATMS still offer printable receipts, and why, ultimately, if you truly want to be secure, you keep it in a file cabinet, and not a file on a computer.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    At the rate we're digitizing everything combined with the rate that we're advancing cyber warfare, Skynet wont even need to build laser-wielding robots to exterminate us...
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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And that's why I run linux.
    Indeed, I've pretty much always thought that Microsoft's "communications ports are always open on PC architecture" concept worked well for Microsoft but contained a drop of poison for their customers.

    I realize the technical challenge to open com. ports only to the functions requested by the user as presented by the window function the user is using at the moment ..

    .. But a lot of this hacker crap could be eliminated otherwise ..

    .. Unless it was a U.S. government "demand" that all ports be open all the time .. not that I'm paranoid or anything about those who control everything .. .. .. .
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    Re: Powerful 'Flame' cyber weapon found in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    I'm not a cyber security expert, but one of my CS courses taught us that no computer system can ever be 100% secure. The best you can do is obfuscate things so much (encryption, multiple gateways, etc.) that it *should* in practice be impossible for a hacker to reverse engineer their way in because of the complexity. But in theory if there's a front door (to allow for legitimate operations), it can always be exploited to create a back door.
    Really? I thought systems were secure but were unsecure mainly because of human error and design flaws which could be exploited, but that a properly designed system should be secure at least in theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opteron View Post
    Really? I thought systems were secure but were unsecure mainly because of human error and design flaws which could be exploited, but that a properly designed system should be secure at least in theory.
    No. Any system that is receiving information from the internet, or any other source, for that matter, is susceptible to attack. You are taking information from a host, every time you view a webpage, or text, that did not originate from YOUR computer. So, anything, ANYTHING, could come along with that information you are taking. Commonly refered to as "tape". You stick something else onto something you know others are going to download...and voila, virus/worm spread. Most viruses are simple, just a bit of code designating a very specific set of actions dependent on corresponding conditions...most notably, conditions preset by the desired operating system. In other words, windows OS systems do certain things, so you write a virus to activate when those certain things are done, and you write that virus to then do certain things, like copy itself into other known windows folders, etc. We call them viruses because, like a biological virus, they are "evolved" to only target one specific thing, like mammals, or...windows operating systems.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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