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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    The fact that the OP compares accidental civilian casualties from ongoing war operations to intentional civilian attacks by terrorist groups and others in Syria makes me want to spit up my shake-n-bake chicken.

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    In Syria the atrocities are done by the Government, on purpose.

    In the case of " collateral deaths " these are not done deliberately by american troops.
    Was the waterboarding torture and the sexual humiliation at Abu Graib something we did on accident also?

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Was the waterboarding torture and the sexual humiliation at Abu Graib something we did on accident also?

    Lets not get too naive. In warfare infinitely worse incidents than Abu Graib happen!

    How can you realistically compare that with these incidents in Syria! There is no direct comparison.

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    In Syria the atrocities are done by the Government, on purpose.

    In the case of " collateral deaths " these are not done deliberately by american troops.
    the rebels are being supported by american goverment ,mya ,everybody in the middle east knows that .))
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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    the rebels are being supported by american goverment ,mya ,everybody in the middle east knows that .))
    While that is true these killings are attributed to the Assad military, not the rebels, by the UN . "UN officials said more than 100 Syrians were killed in what may be the worst atrocity in the 14-month conflict, and they said evidence of artillery and tank shelling indicate that forces under President Bashar al-Assad were to blame."
    Syrian Carnage Fails to Budge Russia From Mideast Ally - Bloomberg

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    the rebels are being supported by american goverment ,mya ,everybody in the middle east knows that .))
    That still doesn't mitigate the indiscriminate bombardment and other brutality involved in this massacre. I don't believe the U.S. should be playing any role in Syria's internal conflict given the absence of a compelling national interest and strongly oppose calls by some U.S. Senators for a more forceful military approach. At the same time, I do believe all responsible nations should unequivocally condemn the war crimes and other crimes against humanity that took place at Houla. In addition, if U.S. partners along Syria's borders e.g., Turkey, need some help accommodating refugees from Syria's conflict, I believe the U.S. can be helpful in that regard.

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    While that is true these killings are attributed to the Assad military, not the rebels, by the UN . "UN officials said more than 100 Syrians were killed in what may be the worst atrocity in the 14-month conflict, and they said evidence of artillery and tank shelling indicate that forces under President Bashar al-Assad were to blame."
    Syrian Carnage Fails to Budge Russia From Mideast Ally - Bloomberg
    connery ,we know that arabian spring was encouraged by american government, indirectly it led to lots of rebels resulting in death.because great middle east project needs such new administrations , new formations and maps in this region.
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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    connery ,we know that arabian spring was encouraged by american government, indirectly it led to lots of rebels resulting in death.because great middle east project needs such new administrations , new formations and maps in this region.

    Encouraged? The Arab Spring were supported by the US as far as I know. Nonetheless, your assertion does not preclude the US from having an opinion on the matter. Indeed, as the UN is involved so is the US.The US has a real interest in what becomes of Syria as they are allies with Russia and a vital part of the region. The US is attempting to broker a deal where Assad gives up power and share power with the rebels. Russia has softened it's position on who would control Syria as well.

    Washington is instead looking to a negotiated transition that would see President Bashar al-Assad surrender power as part of a power sharing agreement between the rebels and the regime. The Russian foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, on Monday said that Russia is not wedded to keeping Assad in control.

    But this scenario would be complete without the military issuing a veiled threat. "General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, said that following the UN security council's condemnation of the slaughter there needed to be increased diplomatic pressure on Damascus. But he added that the US would be prepared to act militarily if it was "asked to do so".

    "It is not the most important thing who is in power in Syria, what regime has power," he said. "For us, the main thing is to put an end to the violence among civilians and to provide for political dialogue under which the Syrians themselves decide on the sovereignty of their country."
    US military warns Syria as pressure builds on Obama

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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    That still doesn't mitigate the indiscriminate bombardment and other brutality involved in this massacre. I don't believe the U.S. should be playing any role in Syria's internal conflict given the absence of a compelling national interest and strongly oppose calls by some U.S. Senators for a more forceful military approach. At the same time, I do believe all responsible nations should unequivocally condemn the war crimes and other crimes against humanity that took place at Houla. In addition, if U.S. partners along Syria's borders e.g., Turkey, need some help accommodating refugees from Syria's conflict, I believe the U.S. can be helpful in that regard.
    No contesting that Syria is currently a mess. But does not appear to me to be a simple "good versus evil" situation. Seems there are bad actors on both sides of the equation.

    Reading a lengthy article on the Houla event in the Chicago Tribune this morning. It cited reports of "women and children, shot in the head, many with their throats slit". With the eyes of the world on Syria, struggling to come up with any motivation the Syrian government would have for such heinous acts?? Some of the details in the story just don't pass the smell test....


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    Re: Clinton condemns Syria 'atrocity' in Houla

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    No contesting that Syria is currently a mess. But does not appear to me to be a simple "good versus evil" situation. Seems there are bad actors on both sides of the equation.
    In addressing the requirements of international law, I am not intending to suggest that this civil conflict is one between "good vs. evil" one. The Assad regime is a brutal one. The character of those opposing it remains largely uncertain. The Opposition's car bomb attack at a busy intersection in Damascus was also an unlawful attack and it suggests that it has its flaws, too. More than likely this conflict is really about a restive majority seeking to topple the Alawite minority regime. There is no charter, no identified leaders, nor other concrete evidence to suggest that the Opposition movement is about pursuing liberal democracy domestically and peace regionally.

    Reading a lengthy article on the Houla event in the Chicago Tribune this morning. It cited reports of "women and children, shot in the head, many with their throats slit". With the eyes of the world on Syria, struggling to come up with any motivation the Syrian government would have for such heinous acts?? Some of the details in the story just don't pass the smell test....
    Many questions remain to be answered. What is known is that there had been indiscriminate bombardment by artillery that preceded the atrocities. Forensic evidence will need to be collected and analyzed. Even if the regime didn't endorse such atrocities, one cannot rule out the possibility that some troops or loyalist elements engaged in such atrocities. Many other possible explanations also exist. Ethnic conflicts can be particularly brutal, so such acts should not be too surprising.
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