Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 44

Thread: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

  1. #31
    Educator
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Toronto
    Last Seen
    10-30-15 @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    922

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    seems to me this thread is mostly men talking about women's health issues.

    I do not support abortion as birth control, but I do recognize that its a womans' choice. Its her womb, its her body, its her mindset, its her principles, its her health and it isn't anybody elses business. She can obtain medical opinions, partner opinions, family opinions, religious opinions, but the only opinion that counts is hers.

    I personally don't think a zygote is a person and a fetus becomes a person when it can survive outside the womb, it MY personal opinion. I think most guys should remember we only have an opinion, we don't make the decisions.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

  2. #32
    Educator
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Toronto
    Last Seen
    10-30-15 @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    922

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaIsAMarxist View Post
    liberals have no morals becuse they are athiests they rebel against there lord and creater and say oooh well gods laws are old and that means they dont apply but mans laws are infailable thats why they think its ok to rip babies out of the womb and kill them so women can keep on being sluts i pray for liberls every day that they know jesus and stop sinning and atone for there sins
    What happens if you don't believe in God? I am an atheist and I believe that religion is a construct of man, not of some devine supernatural thingie. Therefore, all those laws in the bible and every other holy book are laws of man.

    I certainly don't want religious laws to be imposed upon me. You sure as heck don't need religion to be a decent and moral human being. But I suppose many religious people can't quite get their minds around that concept.

    Besides which, if you are religious, I thought that the bible more or less says that if the husband causes the wife to abort, its not murder, meaning that the baby must be born for it to be murder. Am I not correct in this belief?
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

  3. #33
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    NY
    Last Seen
    04-17-14 @ 12:17 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    503

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    What happens if you don't believe in God? I am an atheist and I believe that religion is a construct of man, not of some devine supernatural thingie. Therefore, all those laws in the bible and every other holy book are laws of man.

    I certainly don't want religious laws to be imposed upon me. You sure as heck don't need religion to be a decent and moral human being. But I suppose many religious people can't quite get their minds around that concept.

    Besides which, if you are religious, I thought that the bible more or less says that if the husband causes the wife to abort, its not murder, meaning that the baby must be born for it to be murder. Am I not correct in this belief?
    In reality religion has nothing to do with this. Either you believe that life and humanity begins at conception or you dont. For me its simple. If you leave things as nature intends most of the time conception will lead to a human being being born. If not thats in natures hands. Call it god if you like.

    If you cause your wife to abort in many states you will be charged with murder. Unless your a DR.

    Also the first right we are given according to the DOI is the right to life. Without it all the other cease to exist.

    And on top of all this its a state not a federal matter.

  4. #34
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,703

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    "Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%


    [/CENTER]Most underreported trend going. The MSM will have you think 90 percent of us are pro-choice.
    Perhaps, but what you also need to keep in mind is other the overall trend in the data. 1995 was at 56% and then declined to some 48% through the early 2000s, but then rise to 51, while the pro-life section dipped a few points to 41%. Then the there began that dip in the pro-choice, and rise of pro-life that you are showing.

    This leads me to believe that you'll see a bit of a rollercoaster effect.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  5. #35
    Educator
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Toronto
    Last Seen
    10-30-15 @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    922

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain View Post
    In reality religion has nothing to do with this. Either you believe that life and humanity begins at conception or you dont. For me its simple. If you leave things as nature intends most of the time conception will lead to a human being being born. If not thats in natures hands. Call it god if you like.
    If mankind left things the way "nature" intended, we would still be hunter gatherers roaming around the wilderness. Our entire success as a species has been in our ability to control and shape our environment like fire and agriculture. To exploit and unnaturally develop the resouces of our environment, like metal working. We are who we are because of these gifts. Our ability to even perform an abortion is indicative of our ability to exceed many of the boundries of the natural world.



    If you cause your wife to abort in many states you will be charged with murder. Unless your a DR.
    I was merely pointing out the religious law of the bible, since much of the abortion debate of anti-abortionists is couched in religious terms. Seems they are quick to spout the will of the lord and the word of god, but they conveniently ignore a whole bunch of that nonsense as it suits them.

    Also the first right we are given according to the DOI is the right to life. Without it all the other cease to exist.
    I fail to see how the right to life can be extended to something that has the potential to become a living breathing human being over the rights of the living breathing female human in which the fetus resides. The already existing must trump the potential to exist.


    And on top of all this its a state not a federal matter.
    I am of the opinion that a woman's uterus is not a matter for any government to "manage" thru legislation.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

  6. #36
    Equal Opportunity Hater
    obvious Child's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    0.0, -2.3 on the Political Compass
    Last Seen
    12-09-14 @ 11:36 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    19,883

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I have to admit I was surprised by this poll...I thought a majority was pro choice.
    Honestly, after the past 5 years of Gallup survey frackups, I'm not sure why anyone trusts their methods anymore.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

  7. #37
    Equal Opportunity Hater
    obvious Child's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    0.0, -2.3 on the Political Compass
    Last Seen
    12-09-14 @ 11:36 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    19,883

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    [/CENTER]Most underreported trend going. The MSM will have you think 90 percent of us are pro-choice.
    Nah, Just 77%. As reported in your own link.

    FYI:
    http://www.gallup.com/file/poll/1547...els_120523.pdf
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

  8. #38
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Last Seen
    07-07-16 @ 08:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    2,854

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nah, Just 77%. As reported in your own link.

    FYI:
    http://www.gallup.com/file/poll/1547...els_120523.pdf
    The links says that 41% not 77% consider themselves pro-choice.

    If you are talking about people who believes abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances then that is just 38%.

  9. #39
    Equal Opportunity Hater
    obvious Child's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    0.0, -2.3 on the Political Compass
    Last Seen
    12-09-14 @ 11:36 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    19,883

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    The links says that 41% not 77% consider themselves pro-choice.
    It's 77% when you add the number who believe that abortion should be available is some cases plus those who believe it should be available in all cases.

    What people consider themselves is a stupid question as people are free to define themselves however they see fit. We have people who are on the socialist medical dole here, use lots of government services, pay little taxes and consider themselves "extremely conservative."

    If you are talking about people who believes abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances then that is just 38%.
    But it's 77% who believe that abortion should be legal. That is a crushing domination against people who share Erod's belief in a total ban.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

  10. #40
    He's the most tip top
    Top Cat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,301

    Re: Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

    Watching the GOP's recent epic failures and the simultaneous waning influence of the Religious Wrong...

    Priceless

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •