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Doctor Who Helped Find Bin Laden Given Jail Term, Official Says [W:58]

Some times I hate these boards... well the titles.. First time I read the title of this thread, I thought Dr Who had helped capture Bin Laden.. and then I realised that it was about a Pakistani doctor.. sigh! gutted!
 
Then the US should not have any dealings (military, economic, diplomatic, etc...) with Pakistan.


We must have a relationship with Pakistan..first we need access to supply routes...we need access to the terrorists at the moment and most of all Pakistans unstable arse is the most dangerous country in the world that has nukes...could you even imagine hamas or alqueda or the taliban toppling the govt and taking over all the red buttons...
 
We need to work diplomatically to help that dr and get him released...him jailed for helping us is an extremely bad situation...we need guys like that dr...
 
true, we left the Kurds behind and the Shiites behind after the Gulf War.

not good. why should anyone help us if we have no integrity?

You're right. We have a crappy track record as far as these matters go.
 
and don't forget all of those who supported us in vietnam, such as the Montagnards - a people we promised to protect - as we abandoned them to flee from the approaching NVA

Don't forget the Hmung in Laos. The commies slaughtered them by the hundreds of thousands after we left.
 
how about adding another letter, Thunder

Montagnard (Hmong) families are trapped in vietnam and no one seems to be talking about it. our own state department, in 2006, changed the status of vietnam so that it is no longer considered "a country of particular concern". this means that the family members still in vietnam who have not yet escaped are not considered refugees anymore by the US government. at present, Resolution 16: "Calling on the State Department to List the Socialist Republic of Vietnam as a 'Country of Particular Concern' with Respect to Religious Freedom" (it is still in committee) has been introduced to the house of representatives in DC, by rep. Edward Royce of california.
these Montagnard families are being persecuted because they still believe and practice their Christian faith. this past Christmas, the vietnamese authorities took practicing Montagnard Christians from their homes in the highlands and made examples of them by crucifying them on crosses, like Christ. then they taunted the Montagnards who witnessed these actions by asking them where was their G_d now
it surprises me that our hard core Christians in the USA have not rallied to the support of the Montagnard people, seeking state department intervention to come to their aid


these people were our closest allies during the vietnam war. our troops NEVER lost a battle when accompanied by the Montagnards
and like this pakistani doctor, we have since abandoned them to a horrible fate
 
Every time I see the thread title I feel like I'm about to read about Dr. Who's role in the Osama take down.


Just me?
 
how about adding another letter, Thunder

Montagnard (Hmong) families are trapped in vietnam and no one seems to be talking about it. our own state department, in 2006, changed the status of vietnam so that it is no longer considered "a country of particular concern". this means that the family members still in vietnam who have not yet escaped are not considered refugees anymore by the US government. at present, Resolution 16: "Calling on the State Department to List the Socialist Republic of Vietnam as a 'Country of Particular Concern' with Respect to Religious Freedom" (it is still in committee) has been introduced to the house of representatives in DC, by rep. Edward Royce of california.
these Montagnard families are being persecuted because they still believe and practice their Christian faith. this past Christmas, the vietnamese authorities took practicing Montagnard Christians from their homes in the highlands and made examples of them by crucifying them on crosses, like Christ. then they taunted the Montagnards who witnessed these actions by asking them where was their G_d now
it surprises me that our hard core Christians in the USA have not rallied to the support of the Montagnard people, seeking state department intervention to come to their aid


these people were our closest allies during the vietnam war. our troops NEVER lost a battle when accompanied by the Montagnards
and like this pakistani doctor, we have since abandoned them to a horrible fate

I wondered about that one, so I looked it up. It seems the Christian Montagnards are being persecuted, and have been for a while now. This is what a search on "Montagnard Christians crucified" found:

Just before Christmas, five members of Vietnam’s security forces entered the hill tribe village of Plei JoNing in the central highlands – searching for Christians. They arrested three Montagnards - Siu Seo, Siu Ai and Nay Glel and took them to their office in Phu Thien town. “We will see if your god can help you now”, they told the prisoners as they crucified them to flagpoles in the figure of the cross.

The “centurions” however, did not spear the Christian Montagnards. Instead they tortured them with an electric cattle prod. The Vietnamese police taunted the victims hanging there - “Where is your Jesus now?” The Montagnard Christians however, refused to renounce their belief in God and hung there for one day and a night.

This event actually occurred in the year 2000 on December 2nd. It was an event that would escalate into a new phase of persecution in 2002 confronting the indigenous Montagnards. Today in the central highlands of Vietnam brutal martial law is being enforced by the Vietnamese government - while the world remains largely silent - while Western governments (and Japan) grant billions of dollars of aid to Vietnam and discuss trade deals.

The world does remain largely silent. I don't remember hearing or seeing this one in any of our media here in the US, ever.
 
I'm disappointed that there weren't procedures already in place to remove the doctor and his family for their own protection. As others have noted, we don't have a very good track record of protecting those who have aided us around the world. We did bring hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese allies to the USA, where they have flourished, but we left too damned many behind.

That said, it would be easier to list the places where people are not routinely persecuted, tortured and murdered because of their tribe, their religion or their politics. The world is largely silent because most of the world not only condones it, but practices such persecution as policy.
 
It'd be pretty dickish of the USA to just let the doctor rot, considering he helped us in taking down the man responsible for 911.

Talk about a slap in the face and ungratefulness if we let him rot in a dusty cell for the next 33 years.
 
It'd be pretty dickish of the USA to just let the doctor rot, considering he helped us in taking down the man responsible for 911.

Talk about a slap in the face and ungratefulness if we let him rot in a dusty cell for the next 33 years.

I'm willing to bet that we do just that, however.
 
so, who here has written their Senators about this?

I did yesterday.

Why aren't you writing to Obama, asking him why he was more concered with giving UBL an honorable burial and making movies to enhance his public appearance rather than protecting the one guy that was the most instrumental in accomplishing the mission?
 
It'd be pretty dickish of the USA to just let the doctor rot, considering he helped us in taking down the man responsible for 911.

Talk about a slap in the face and ungratefulness if we let him rot in a dusty cell for the next 33 years.

The doc has outlived his usefulness to Obama. Obama got to take all the credit for killing UBL and now, the rest doesn't mean jack ****.
 
I'm disappointed that there weren't procedures already in place to remove the doctor and his family for their own protection. As others have noted, we don't have a very good track record of protecting those who have aided us around the world. We did bring hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese allies to the USA, where they have flourished, but we left too damned many behind.

That said, it would be easier to list the places where people are not routinely persecuted, tortured and murdered because of their tribe, their religion or their politics. The world is largely silent because most of the world not only condones it, but practices such persecution as policy.

That's what happens when we don't hold our ground in a foreign theater of operations.
 
That's what happens when we don't hold our ground in a foreign theater of operations.

yes, why not occupy Pakistan as well? Great ****ing idea, wonder how many additional boots on the ground that will take...
 
That's what happens when we don't hold our ground in a foreign theater of operations.

isn't it actually THEIR ground you are seeking to hold onto?
 
yes, why not occupy Pakistan as well? Great ****ing idea, wonder how many additional boots on the ground that will take...

Do you think you're making sense? Does comparing apples to oranges sound like a good idea?

Anyone that doesn't want U.S. troops deployed overseas should stop crying about our friends that we've left behind. Sorry to tell you, but you can't have both ways.
 
Why aren't you writing to Obama, asking him why he was more concered with giving UBL an honorable burial and making movies to enhance his public appearance rather than protecting the one guy that was the most instrumental in accomplishing the mission?

Senators are more likely to read emails and give them consideration.
 
It sure is a good thing to have allies like Pakistan that help us ever so much in the war on terror. I guess we owe them a healthy increase in our aid check to them next time to cover the added costs of locking these 'terrorists' up for us. Perhaps we can get them to accept all of our surplus GITMO detainees too, if the price is right. USA, USA, USA...
 
It'd be pretty dickish of the USA to just let the doctor rot, considering he helped us in taking down the man responsible for 911.

Talk about a slap in the face and ungratefulness if we let him rot in a dusty cell for the next 33 years.

Obama must feel there isn't enough room for two heroes.

He's quick to take credit for himself.
 
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