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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Not not much of a reply - are you sure you are a libertarian?

    double "Not" to emphasise my feelings
    Not much of a reply was required. Not sure what that has to do with Libertarians, or why you think I think I am.

    Single "Not"'s to emphasize my lack of feelings.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Not much of a reply was required. Not sure what that has to do with Libertarians, or why you think I think I am.

    Single "Not"'s to emphasize my lack of feelings.
    My mistake - I had another poster in mind. My apologies sir.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    A bad analogy in this instance


    No one is saying Americans can no longer speak their opinions in public, what is being said concerns the reality of the way in which money allows one person's opinions to be heard by a vastly larger audience than the street corner preacher's.
    Which means the claim that free speech isn't free because you have to pay for it is a fallacy of equivocation.

    In other words, a perfect analogy.

    Does a libertarian really want that to happen in the US? What if it were groups - unions, ACLU, Soros-funded - with goals you disagree with? Do you want us "wacko lefties" owning the politicians? Do you honestly think corporate-controlled government would be better for you and your ideals?
    No. Which is why I favor reducing the influence of corporate money in politics by reducing the power of the governments the corporations are trying to influence. If the government no longer has the power to subsidize or drive out of business a corporation, the corporation no longer has incentive to ensure a legislator isn't pissed at them.

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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    Which means the claim that free speech isn't free because you have to pay for it is a fallacy of equivocation.

    In other words, a perfect analogy.


    No. Which is why I favor reducing the influence of corporate money in politics by reducing the power of the governments the corporations are trying to influence. If the government no longer has the power to subsidize or drive out of business a corporation, the corporation no longer has incentive to ensure a legislator isn't pissed at them.
    This is absolutely the dumbest excuse for reducing government size I have ever read.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Corporations are an assembly of people,something the 1st amendment says you have a right to do. The right of the people peaceably to assemble is a constitutional right.



    They apply to both because individuals make up groups and individuals can make up groups. Your rights do not disappear just because you form a group nor do they disappear just because you choose not to be part of a group.



    Those people in that corporation can vote in their designated polling places.



    No were not. You choose to ignore facts.When you ignore facts of course you can say "wait a minute this **** doesn't make sense". The fact is corporations are a peaceful assembly of people. As a peaceful assembly of people they can pool their money together to buy ads, make campaign contributions and so on just like any other group of people can.
    But to me it seems they are granting powers that are greater then the sum of its parts. You and I have 2 voices however if you and I form a corporation/organisation then we have you, I, and our corporation/organisation voice. I have worked for a few corporations and never once did they ever ask for my opinion or my input when making decisions on political matters. That was reserved for a few at the top that "spoke" for all of us and portrayed a representation that simply was not there in order to gain more political muscle.

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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    This is absolutely the dumbest excuse for reducing government size I have ever read.
    Not an excuse for, a side benefit of.

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