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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams View Post
    Free speech is not fascism.
    The free speech being discussed here is actually quite expensive.

    Far more than the average individual can afford.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Can you show me where it says you have the right to use money to influence candidates and voting?
    Things like faxes, emails, letters, signs, bumper stickers, phone calls, and many other things used for political advertising are speech. Money pays for those things. Therefore you have a right to use money to pay for those things.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Citizen's United was a horrible ruling from an overly activist Supreme Court.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by GJ Flash View Post
    "A corporation using corporate funds to pay for political speech does not necessarily allow for the views of individuals working for the same corporation."

    True enough. When I worked in city government I had to join the union. I had to pay union dues. The union, in turn, gave vast sums of money to political campaigns that I strongly disagreed with. Is that the same? Or is that different?

    Americans must pay taxes (well, half of us must). A significant portion of those taxes must go to public employees. Public employees must pay union dues. Unions must use that money to support liberal politics. Following the money, that means all taxpayers must provide financial support to liberal causes. Is that fair?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for election finance reform. Our political system shouldn't be up for grabs to the highest bidder. My problem is with the folks who only want to reform one side of the equation.

    You'll actually find that most here who want campaign money limited include unions in their equations.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    What in the world are you talking about? Do you even know?

    WAKE UP CALL:

    Regardless of whether you're a corporation or an actual flesh and blood human being, when political influence is determined by the largesse of one's bank roll instead of the sagacity of one's ideas, freedom of speech loses all value.
    When you have no tax liability then all gov't spending, especially on you, your friends and your familiy are wonderful ideas. If representation were tied to taxation, then we would see a very different attitude about gov't spending. Corporations find themselves in a pickle there, lots of taxes yet no vote at all. A citizen that gets their entire "income" from gov't programs is apt to vote far differently than one that pays 20% (or more) of their private income to the gov't in taxes. It is charity when I choose to help support my neighbor in need, it is tyranny when the gov't forces me to help support your neighbor in need.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You'll actually find that most here who want campaign money limited include unions in their equations.
    Plus many now among the majority party in office love the idea, since they get a HUGE advantage, since they may travel, speak and get 'news' coverage all on the public dime, like Obama is doing daily, yet the challenger has no such luck, as they must raise every dime that they spend privately. Yes they can!
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    same way the federal government can.
    ( there is a public interest in mitigating quid pro quo behavior, which is why limits can be imposed on campaign donations.)


    keep in mind that they can only limit direct campaign contributions... not electioneering speech/spending.
    And of cohrse functionally there is no difference between the two.

    Contributors just pick up the tab for electioneering, instead of directly contributing to the campaign.

    That way, the campaign can spend its money elsewhere.

    Its a wall of words.
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Citizen's United was a horrible ruling from an overly activist Supreme Court.
    Yes, it's a horrible ruling that the leftwing coporate media are no longer the only ones to significantly affect election outcomes.

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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Yes, it's a horrible ruling that the leftwing coporate media are no longer the only ones to significantly affect election outcomes.
    So how, pray tell, did right wing candidates get elected BEFORE CU set their investors free?
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    Re: 22 states, including Kentucky, join campaign finance fight

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    So how, pray tell, did right wing candidates get elected BEFORE CU set their investors free?
    Cause only a certain portion of the population is so stupid to believe whatever the TV tells them.

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