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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Funny how libs conveniently forget that every day. It's easy to scream for higher taxes when you pay none.
    Funny how others conveniently forget (or do not understand), that everyone who works, buys gas, groceries, or has power to their home pays taxes. Payroll tax is a federal tax....and state taxes are freakin' everywhere.

    Religious organizations avoid virtually all of it.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why hasn't the Catholic Church suggested an optional-rider for birth control/abortion/circumcision/elective vasectomy-hysteroctomy?

    Because...then they can't act all butt-hurt.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Because...then they can't act all butt-hurt.
    so they aren't looking for a simple solution....just for political reasons?

    what jerks.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Funny how others conveniently forget (or do not understand), that everyone who works, buys gas, groceries, or has power to their home pays taxes. Payroll tax is a federal tax....and state taxes are freakin' everywhere.

    Religious organizations avoid virtually all of it.


    So all I have to do is join a church to avoid taxes?


    my god, Just when you thought the illogic couldn't get any deeper. /facepalm
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So all I have to do is join a church to avoid taxes?


    my god, Just when you thought the illogic couldn't get any deeper. /facepalm
    That's not what he said, Rev.

    Although I do believe that the fact that religious orgs don't pay taxes is irrelevant to the issue of the BC mandate.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's not what he said, Rev.

    Although I do believe that the fact that religious orgs don't pay taxes is irrelevant to the issue of the BC mandate.


    that is pretty much what his logic leads to. he keeps yapping about tax issues, then compares a religious organization, made up of tax payers, to, wait for it.... tax payers as individuals.... but says the organization of tax payers is exempt, meaning, from what I gather, the government should be able to dictate to it or something, there his "logic" loses me. I bet he'll also be one of those "corporations aren't peoplez".....

    See his simplistic disconnect?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I am a Catholic and go to church with Catholics. Most of us don't support the church suing and as noted above, approve birth control. Many of us think the church is out of touch and don't understand hy they are so wrong on this issue.
    This. It's not the average Catholic who is opposed to this BC mandate, it's the (male) leaders of the Catholic Church who are opposed to it. It's really no different from the CEOs of oil companies manufacturing dissent about AGW to protect their interests; the bishops, cardinals, deacons and pope are looking out for their theological interests. Nothing more.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    This. It's not the average Catholic who is opposed to this BC mandate, it's the (male) leaders of the Catholic Church who are opposed to it. It's really no different from the CEOs of oil companies manufacturing dissent about AGW to protect their interests; the bishops, cardinals, deacons and pope are looking out for their theological interests. Nothing more.
    I am not sure about that. Most catholics I know oppose gay marriage. But then again i dont know them all.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Obama's suing Arizona over its right to protect its borders. The Catholic Church is suing Obama over his infringement on their rights. The Supreme Court is about to vote on an unprecedented power play by Obama to mandate the purchase of health insurance.

    Stay tuned for more of "Obama versus the United States of America."
    Catholics sue the Government over birth control? Which Catholics? My wife is Catholic and is in favor of birth control, and the vast majority of Catholics are also in favor.

    But you are right about something. The issue here IS control, that is a church that will go to the ends of the earth and do very satanic things in order to maintain control over believers. Take the Inquisition, for instance. Better yet, take the heresy that only a priest or the pope can intercede with God on behalf of a believer. Now that's control.... and that's a heretical lie too. Jesus said that all one has to do to gain eternal life is to believe in him, and ask for forgiveness. Jesus didn't say go to a priest and have him speak for you. He only said "Ask and it will be given". That forgiveness comes from God, not from a corporation that masquerades as a church, which is a concept that is satanic, not godly.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually use the churches words when they hired me back when, They said it was part of my pay. Today, I also help in negotiations with my current employer. They too refer to it as pay. So, I see nothing I state concerning this only my personal opinion.





    Yes, I worked for Several years at a Catholic hospital in Iowa City Iowa. But, you don't have to take my word for it:

    If you own your own business, your employee compensation and benefits package can be the deciding factor for many potential employees. And it's not just the money.

    HowStuffWorks "How Employee Compensation Works"

    Benefits are forms of value, other than payment, that are provided to the employee in return for their contribution to the organization, that is, for doing their job.

    Employee Benefits and Compensation (Employee Pay)

    You can also go ask your employer if health insurance is compensation or just at his pleasure. Give it a shot.




    Agian, and you are ignoring this, the Church is not forced to pay for abortions or contracptions. The insurance company pays for this. Whether this is from the employees own cash, it gets from the church, or the insurance comapny, it is the employee, not the church, who is paying for and getting the service.
    If an employer offers you $50K/yr + $20K company automobile vs $70K/yr straight salary, you are free to accept or reject it. It is at their pleasure what the content of the compensation package they offer to you is. You don't get to decide that it's going to be a $30K company automobile, just as you don't get to choose whether a health insurance package they offer you contains birth control provisions or not.

    You can take it or leave it as is, but you can't change the content of the package, unless you negotiate it with the employer and they agree.
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