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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I disagree with the first assertion (as Getting Pregnant is indeed a medical issue),

    If we are to consider BC a preventative measure, that can easily prevent pregnancy and thus stop a medical issue from happening it is akin to high blood pressure medications, insulin, etc...
    I don't agree that birth control meds are on the same page as high bp pills. But it is just my opinion. I don't strongly oppose it, but I would never support it either. You don't need BC to avoid those risks. You can simply not have sex and eliminate the risks that way. I think it is a bit silly to expect someone to cover your preventive measures for a risky behavior you are choosing to engage in.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Contraception is not a new issue for the Catholic Church. This particular issue was forced on the Church by the Obama administration. The people who worked for the church were used to getting their own contraception anyway and still took a job with the church so this would just be an added benefit to them. Religious persecution continues its slow evolution.
    No kidding and American Catholics have been ignoring the ban for as long as it has been in effect. The fact that the church is making an issue of it now is new. The fact is that if they don't have to pay for it they have no right to limit an employees access to it. Their original complaint was that it was against their teaching to PAY for birth control and now that that was fixed they found a different complaint. They apparently want to restrict the availability of birth control fo ALL not just Catholics. What does that have to do with freedom of religion?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I don't agree that birth control meds are on the same page as high bp pills. But it is just my opinion. I don't strongly oppose it, but I would never support it either. You don't need BC to avoid those risks. You can simply not have sex and eliminate the risks that way. I think it is a bit silly to expect someone to cover your preventive measures for a risky behavior you are choosing to engage in.
    LOL So your position is that you can't take contraceptives to avoid pregnancy? Millions of women do that every day, Einstein.
    In the HC law offering birth control is a cost saving measure which of course means nothing to you. Who needs to reduce HC costs? We all love to pay and pay and pay, right?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I don't agree that birth control meds are on the same page as high bp pills. But it is just my opinion. I don't strongly oppose it, but I would never support it either. You don't need BC to avoid those risks. You can simply not have sex and eliminate the risks that way. I think it is a bit silly to expect someone to cover your preventive measures for a risky behavior you are choosing to engage in.
    Am I to understand that Sex with my partner of 5 yrs. is now a risky behavior?
    Do you honestly expect people to deny a force that has driven all of us for millions of years?
    I don't know about you...but this is not an activity I would do well without.

    Do you find it "Silly" that Viagra is currently covered?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So it's voluntary for everyone but the church who offers it. pay is pay, healthcare is a benefit offered at the pleasure of the employer. the employer should be free to say, it's against thier religion, being a church and all, to do things that religion thinks is immorral.


    The catholic church being against contraception is dumb, it's thier right to be dumb, as it is your right not to work there, and not use thier health insurance that does not cover your birth control.


    Some insurance covers massage. Should we mandate that all insurance covers massage, I choose to get a massage as I may choose to have birth control, Is it the governments business telling a church how to practice thier "free exercise therof"?


    Not unless you are some anti-constitutional statists, I can't see how.
    yes but the catholic church pays no taxes so should get no representation. right?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, like pay, is just part of the compensaion, not pleasure. The church offers a certain salary, not one dictatied outside of mimimum wage. And to help, the also compensate with insurance, as part of the salary packet (as the church explained to me whe I worked at one of their hospitals -- it was part of the salary). As such, it is up to me on how I use it and not the church. It isn't a pleasure, and more than it is a pleasure to me 20 dollars an hour as opposed to the eight dollars that is minimum wage.

    So, no, the government is telling the church how to practice anything. Only like minimum wage, the compensation will include the option for the employee. Only the employee can make the decision whether to use the option. The church plays no role in the decision.
    but they ARE trying to have a say in the decision and without paying taxes i don't see how they can do that.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I disagree with the first assertion (as Getting Pregnant is indeed a medical issue), I very much agree with the second point.

    If we are to consider BC a preventative measure, that can easily prevent pregnancy and thus stop a medical issue from happening it is akin to high blood pressure medications, insulin, etc...in that it is medically proven to prevent a possible health risk. There are also many other medically beneficial results for some women and health.

    I do agree 100%, that by trying to avoid the law (though actually they are still exempt everywhere but in PUBLIC hospitals)...the church is asking to be treated in such a way that they create unfairness. They are not some special entity that gets to be above the law.
    they are kind of special in that they don't have to pay taxes and think they can still get representation.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The consitution has nothing to do with this any more than minimum wage does. You mistake who has control of the compensation once given. Like their cash, the health insurance is the employees and not the church.
    Utter nonsense.... The healthcare is a benefit, they cannot tell the employer. "no thank you, I'd like to take the cash instead". The church does not want it's money going to things its against. You as a statist have no problem pissing on the constitution if it goes your way.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by majora$$hole View Post
    yes but the catholic church pays no taxes so should get no representation. right?



    Again, you folks only want "Separation of church and state" when it suits your agenda.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Am I to understand that Sex with my partner of 5 yrs. is now a risky behavior?
    Yes. You are running the risk of pregnancy and any other complications that come with having sex.

    Do you honestly expect people to deny a force that has driven all of us for millions of years?
    No. I expect them to cover their own costs of performing that action.
    I don't know about you...but this is not an activity I would do well without.
    Then you should have no problem paying for it. BC pills are not an expensive item.

    Do you find it "Silly" that Viagra is currently covered?
    yes i do.


    Do you think my medical insurance should cover my helmet for my motorcycle? My parachute when i sky dive? Should they cover a bullet proof vest? Protective eye wear when I go to a shooting range?
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