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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Religion doesn't get you exempt from whatever laws you feel like, sorry.
    Laws don't get you exempt from the Constitution, sorry.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I actually use the churches words when they hired me back when, They said it was part of my pay. Today, I also help in negotiations with my current employer. They too refer to it as pay. So, I see nothing I state concerning this only my personal opinion.







    Yes, I worked for Several years at a Catholic hospital in Iowa City Iowa. But, you don't have to take my word for it:

    If you own your own business, your employee compensation and benefits package can be the deciding factor for many potential employees. And it's not just the money.

    HowStuffWorks "How Employee Compensation Works"

    Benefits are forms of value, other than payment, that are provided to the employee in return for their contribution to the organization, that is, for doing their job.

    Employee Benefits and Compensation (Employee Pay)

    You can also go ask your employer if health insurance is compensation or just at his pleasure. Give it a shot.




    Agian, and you are ignoring this, the Church is not forced to pay for abortions or contracptions. The insurance company pays for this. Whether this is from the employees own cash, it gets from the church, or the insurance comapny, it is the employee, not the church, who is paying for and getting the service.



    I clearly see I am wasting my time. Your wish to make a square peg fit a round hole, constitution be damned. "separation of church and state" only applies to the church, not the state to you....


    If I offer my employees a healthcare plan, and by your logic, considered it pay how do you think they would react to say a "raise", instead of money, I upped thier healthcare to include dog grooming. hey, it's "pay" right?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this stupid issue again????

    the solution is simple: let religious institutions demand that all services for abortion, birth control, male-circumcision, Viagra, Propecia, vasectomies, hysterectamies, and full-body massages be covered by an optional-rider that the subscriber can choose or choose NOT to purchase. that way, the insurance provided by the employers does NOT pay for these things.

    done and done.
    That wouldn't be a distraction then.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    I don't agree with the idea that healthcare should cover birth control. It is not a medical problem IMO. People should pay for their own. However, if we are requiring everyone to carry this option then religious orgs should not be exempt. No one should have special rights or exceptions.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I don't agree with the idea that healthcare should cover birth control. It is not a medical problem IMO. People should pay for their own. However, if we are requiring everyone to carry this option then religious orgs should not be exempt. No one should have special rights or exceptions.
    I disagree with the first assertion (as Getting Pregnant is indeed a medical issue), I very much agree with the second point.

    If we are to consider BC a preventative measure, that can easily prevent pregnancy and thus stop a medical issue from happening it is akin to high blood pressure medications, insulin, etc...in that it is medically proven to prevent a possible health risk. There are also many other medically beneficial results for some women and health.

    I do agree 100%, that by trying to avoid the law (though actually they are still exempt everywhere but in PUBLIC hospitals)...the church is asking to be treated in such a way that they create unfairness. They are not some special entity that gets to be above the law.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I clearly see I am wasting my time. Your wish to make a square peg fit a round hole, constitution be damned. "separation of church and state" only applies to the church, not the state to you....


    If I offer my employees a healthcare plan, and by your logic, considered it pay how do you think they would react to say a "raise", instead of money, I upped thier healthcare to include dog grooming. hey, it's "pay" right?
    The consitution has nothing to do with this any more than minimum wage does. You mistake who has control of the compensation once given. Like their cash, the health insurance is the employees and not the church.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Religion doesn't get you exempt from whatever laws you feel like, sorry.
    What?

    The bible doesn't say anything about birth control.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I disagree with the first assertion (as Getting Pregnant is indeed a medical issue), I very much agree with the second point.

    If we are to consider BC a preventative measure, that can easily prevent pregnancy and thus stop a medical issue from happening it is akin to high blood pressure medications, insulin, etc...in that it is medically proven to prevent a possible health risk. There are also many other medically beneficial results for some women and health.

    I do agree 100%, that by trying to avoid the law (though actually they are still exempt everywhere but in PUBLIC hospitals)...the church is asking to be treated in such a way that they create unfairness. They are not some special entity that gets to be above the law.
    What law are you referring to?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    What law are you referring to?
    As part of the Affordable Care Act, starting August 1st, insurance plans will be required to fully cover contraception without co-pays or deductibles as part of women's preventive care.
    Women's Preventive Services: Required Health Plan Coverage Guidelines

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    What?

    The bible doesn't say anything about birth control.

    Exactly...thus the entire issue makes no sense to me.

    It's almost as if the Catholic Church is making something up to lay a foundation.

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