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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You can say whatever you want, however I don't think you are an honest observer in this....Here is an Obama advisor on the issue speaking at Berkley University.




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    And he has what to with the issue? There any many types of UHC. The most flexiable is a single payer system which can be tiered to allow individuals to buy anything they want. I realize you read stuff that lacks basic factual information, but nothing siad in this video contradicts basic facts, let alone a skewed and false reading of it so many republicans try to paint with it.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    How does single payer add flexibility?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    How does single payer add flexibility?
    I kind of said up above. Though I didn't use the word add. I said it was the most flexible single UHC system. It can be teired. Essentially the single payer meets the minimum adequate standard, and individuals are allowed to purchase more service or more insurance from private companies.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Being the most flexible, would mean its more flexible than now. Or adding flexibility. I don't see how single payer does that.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Being the most flexible, would mean its more flexible than now. Or adding flexibility. I don't see how single payer does that.
    No, read the sentence again. I said the most flexible UHC system. So, you're still having reading issues.

    As for a single payer system, it adds having everyone's basic needs met, which we don't have now, while still allowing you and other to buy as much as you do now if you want.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Yeah you still aren't getting it. Being UHC or not, irrelevant. Matters not one bit. But again I am sure you will come back with another way to not answer how you think single payer adds any flexibility.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Yeah you still aren't getting it. Being UHC or not, irrelevant. Matters not one bit. But again I am sure you will come back with another way to not answer how you think single payer adds any flexibility.
    Actually, to the meaning of the sentence, it does matter. I don't mind discussing it, but you do need to understand what is being said. Otherwise, we'll spend too much time going down a false path, or trying to explain your misunderstanding to you.

    Not only that, you have not addressed the flexibility I keep showing you.

    Do you really want to discuss this or are you merely trying to hold on to a misunderstanding on your part?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Obama's suing Arizona over its right to protect its borders. The Catholic Church is suing Obama over his infringement on their rights. The Supreme Court is about to vote on an unprecedented power play by Obama to mandate the purchase of health insurance.

    Stay tuned for more of "Obama versus the United States of America."
    I am so happy that my Church got out of its apathy and lethargy and started doing what protestant churches have been doing, fighting the Leftists who are destroying this country

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And he has what to with the issue?

    Reich was an advisor to the Obama administration on this issue, also was in the Clinton administration during their attempted take over of the HC industry.

    There any many types of UHC.
    There are. And all of them essentially place government at the deciding role of what treatment is approved.

    The most flexiable is a single payer system which can be tiered to allow individuals to buy anything they want.
    How is that different from today? I assume that you have employer based insurance, let's say an 80/20 plan with deductibles. Are you not free to buy additional insurance if you choose?

    I realize you read stuff that lacks basic factual information, but nothing siad in this video contradicts basic facts, let alone a skewed and false reading of it so many republicans try to paint with it.
    Oh stop....Gheeze, can you even discuss anything without your backhanded slaps, and down the nose view of anyone that disagrees with your statist positions?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Reich was an advisor to the Obama administration on this issue, also was in the Clinton administration during their attempted take over of the HC industry.
    Has no bearing and means nothing to what we're discussing. Sorry.

    There are. And all of them essentially place government at the deciding role of what treatment is approved.
    That is again false. All the Government will be in charge of is what they pay for. You can buy more.


    How is that different from today? I assume that you have employer based insurance, let's say an 80/20 plan with deductibles. Are you not free to buy additional insurance if you choose?
    You assume wrong. Nothign will stop your employer from offering more insurance, but he won't have to, so I expect fewer will. However, you can buy more. You can pay for service yourself. All the government policy does is pay for minimial adequate care. It doesn't stop there.



    Oh stop....Gheeze, can you even discuss anything without your backhanded slaps, and down the nose view of anyone that disagrees with your statist positions?

    j-mac
    Perhaps you have a point here, but we have to cover the same misinformation over and over again. What will it take to have someone actually learn what the differences are?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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