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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No matter how much you say it, it does not make it true.

    I have lived in 2 UHC countries (Britain and Canada) and never have I been told by anyone what treatment I can and couldn't have, but just like HMO's there's certain things that they won't pay for.

    A boob job is a good example
    The trouble is that Universal Health Care is, in practice, Unavailable Health Care. Britain and Canada are prime examples. A couple of years ago there was a couple in Calgary who were taking fertility treatments. She came down with a case of quadruplets. Multiples are premature, and preemies need incubators. Calgary (pop. 1,000,000) doesn't have four incubators, so the government sent the couple to Great Falls, MT (pop. 50,000) to have the babies. When the US adopts the Canadian health system, they'll have to go to India or Thailand.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Again, more BS...Of course you did, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to continue your attempts.



    Oh, so you think that your pseudo intellectual blather is anything but foolishness? LOL...Funny, funny guy....



    No, you wrote your opinion, part of which I might add includes you thinking you know more than the top Catholic clergymen of the US in terms of what the Church's path is, stunning hubris on your part.



    Flush it down with a healthy dose of Rid-X so that it doesn't clog the septic system.


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    You make a lot of excuses j not to address the issue. I understand that may be all that is left. You're attacked a few lately, but that is neither here nor there. The issue is clear. It is about insurance. Not religious freedom. I've taken pains to explain why. You?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The trouble is that Universal Health Care is, in practice, Unavailable Health Care. Britain and Canada are prime examples. A couple of years ago there was a couple in Calgary who were taking fertility treatments. She came down with a case of quadruplets. Multiples are premature, and preemies need incubators. Calgary (pop. 1,000,000) doesn't have four incubators, so the government sent the couple to Great Falls, MT (pop. 50,000) to have the babies. When the US adopts the Canadian health system, they'll have to go to India or Thailand.
    That's not really true. They any many forms of UHC, and among the most diverse is the single payer system which allows for people to buy not only their own care, but more insurance. Under this type of system, there is at least two teirs, and assures everyone adequate care and the option to buy more. If we stop demonizing and seek solutions, we can do better than we are presently.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You make a lot of excuses j not to address the issue. I understand that may be all that is left. You're attacked a few lately, but that is neither here nor there. The issue is clear. It is about insurance. Not religious freedom. I've taken pains to explain why. You?

    And I have taken the time to show you that the Church feels it is a conscience issue for them, and one that has to do the tenants of the Chruch at the heart of their doctrine. You dismiss that, and when shown what the Cardinal says, you say that you know more than he does.

    So you tell me, how does one debate with such jack assery?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And I have taken the time to show you that the Church feels it is a conscience issue for them, and one that has to do the tenants of the Chruch at the heart of their doctrine. You dismiss that, and when shown what the Cardinal says, you say that you know more than he does.

    So you tell me, how does one debate with such jack assery?


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    That just it j, FEELS is not equal to logically and fact. And when you say church, you're really taking only about a those in the heirarcy, and a relatively few of the overall church. But, it is just their feeling and not anything that holds logically. Once the Church stepped outside the church and into business, they can't call their business a church. I'm sorry, but there are actual definitions to these things.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    word!
    My turn! LOL!
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Many in this thread are arguing IMHO, that insurance should cover their BC up to, and including abortion pills like RU486, and that the Church should make this available in their policy, which in many cases they underwrite themselves, leading to a real pickle in terms of religious freedom, due to the heavy handed nature of the Obama administration.

    So I decided to look up what "insurance" is...Here is one definition:

    "Insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss. Insurance is defined as the equitable transfer of the risk of a loss, from one entity to another, in exchange for payment."

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now the question I have, is a simple one. What loss is there if not paid for through insurance policies?

    Are contraceptives not available OTC, for inexpensive pricing?

    Will someone die as a result of not being able to have their condom paid for, instead of out of pocket?

    What is the 'loss' being 'hedged' against here?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    My turn! LOL!
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That just it j, FEELS is not equal to logically and fact. And when you say church, you're really taking only about a those in the heirarcy, and a relatively few of the overall church. But, it is just their feeling and not anything that holds logically. Once the Church stepped outside the church and into business, they can't call their business a church. I'm sorry, but there are actual definitions to these things.

    Is a Catholic school a public, or private entity?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Many in this thread are arguing IMHO, that insurance should cover their BC up to, and including abortion pills like RU486, and that the Church should make this available in their policy, which in many cases they underwrite themselves, leading to a real pickle in terms of religious freedom, due to the heavy handed nature of the Obama administration.

    So I decided to look up what "insurance" is...Here is one definition:

    "Insurance is a form of risk management primarily used to hedge against the risk of a contingent, uncertain loss. Insurance is defined as the equitable transfer of the risk of a loss, from one entity to another, in exchange for payment."

    Insurance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now the question I have, is a simple one. What loss is there if not paid for through insurance policies?

    Are contraceptives not available OTC, for inexpensive pricing?

    Will someone die as a result of not being able to have their condom paid for, instead of out of pocket?

    What is the 'loss' being 'hedged' against here?
    I guess part of that answer depends on which side of the abortion issue you stand.

    Another part is the consideration that many contraceptives are used for other medical conditions - not just as birth control.


    Also, condoms are relativity cheap - and much less effective - compared to some female implants.
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