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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree, the government should pay for it. What do you think UHC is all about?
    UHC is all about command and control. It substitutes bureaucratic judgment for individual judgment and, as in the core of this thread, it leads to violation of our most fundamental rights.

    I agree, monopolies are a bad thing, which is why no capitalist system can be without regulation.
    Agreed. The question is one of degree. Our Constitution spells out the limited powers delegated to the federal government, and UHC isn't there.

    The government shouldn't be a customer.
    The government sure as hell isn't qualified to be a provider. Visit an Indian reservation some time.

    We need a basic UHC to cover things like an annual check-up, broken bones, flu shots, emergency treatment and/or operations, and etc. The insurance companies should not be involved at all in these very basic services. After that if you want more coverage then knock yourself out. I'm sure Kaiser et al will be happy to take your money.
    And why should the government be involved in deciding what the seller must offer and the individual must buy?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    UHC is all about command and control. It substitutes bureaucratic judgment for individual judgment and, as in the core of this thread, it leads to violation of our most fundamental rights.
    No, it's about providing for the general welfare of the people. Simple, basic medical needs. If an artery got nicked in an accident then we'll fix you up. If you want a heart transplant then you'd better be rich or have your own health insurance. It might be cheaper to provide a liver transplant over providing dialyses, I don't know, that would be up to the number crunchers top figure out. Certainly many drugs are too damn expensive and government could change that by negotiation with the drug companies. You want name brand drugs? Buy them yourself or get your own insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed. The question is one of degree. Our Constitution spells out the limited powers delegated to the federal government, and UHC isn't there.
    See #1 - General welfare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    The government sure as hell isn't qualified to be a provider. Visit an Indian reservation some time.
    A provider would be a clinic, hospital, or doctor's office. I'm not talking about that. I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    And why should the government be involved in deciding what the seller must offer and the individual must buy?
    With UHC there is no "buy" - that's the whole point of UHC.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'm not sure to what that is in reference.

    I don't see where government telling the banks they have to split off into investment and savings banks - as they were for sixty years prior to 2000 - is a problem for anyone except the banks.

    What do banks have to do with any of this? Can't you stick to the subject?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Never thought you did...
    Again, more BS...Of course you did, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to continue your attempts.

    but that doesn't change the turth j.
    Oh, so you think that your pseudo intellectual blather is anything but foolishness? LOL...Funny, funny guy....

    I spoke the truth to you
    No, you wrote your opinion, part of which I might add includes you thinking you know more than the top Catholic clergymen of the US in terms of what the Church's path is, stunning hubris on your part.

    what you do with it is up to you.
    Flush it down with a healthy dose of Rid-X so that it doesn't clog the septic system.


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What do banks have to do with any of this? Can't you stick to the subject?
    Maybe you should go back and read posts #422 and 423 then try again?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Maybe you should go back and read posts #422 and 423 then try again?

    Ah, I see, so because you originally tried to take the shot at banks on a thread about the government forcing BC insurance mandates on the Church, I believe is called derailing the thread.

    If you want to talk about 2008, and the financial collapse, I am sure there are threads on that, conversely if you want to talk about UHC there are threads on that as well. Post there. This one is about the Church, and HHS, with their "Tiller 'the baby killer" supporter at the helm of that outfit, running blocker for the Obama failing record in this election by picking a fight with the Church....

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    UHC is all about command and control. It substitutes bureaucratic judgment for individual judgment
    No matter how much you say it, it does not make it true.

    I have lived in 2 UHC countries (Britain and Canada) and never have I been told by anyone what treatment I can and couldn't have, but just like HMO's there's certain things that they won't pay for.

    A boob job is a good example

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ah, I see, so because you originally tried to take the shot at banks on a thread about the government forcing BC insurance mandates on the Church, I believe is called derailing the thread.
    No, I believe the topic under discussion was about trusting government and trusting businesses, which in turn was related to UHC. If you want the full discussion and how it got there then follow the little blue arrows back through the thread. I'm sorry you weren't keeping up with that discussion but that's really not my problem.

    I noticed you aren't whining to Diogenes about his reference to the GSA, the KGB, and various other organizations also completely unrelated to the topic as you see it. Why is that???


    Making judgments without all the facts is very much on point, though - and you've done a great job of demonstrating what that means.
    Thank you.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No matter how much you say it, it does not make it true.

    I have lived in 2 UHC countries (Britain and Canada) and never have I been told by anyone what treatment I can and couldn't have, but just like HMO's there's certain things that they won't pay for.

    A boob job is a good example

    You asked for a boob job?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You asked for a boob job?


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