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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Of course they are. The Church's history with women says it all. And they continue their inane traditions to this day.
    Is anyone forcing you to be a Catholic? I don't think they are.

    Did you know that the Catholic Church now allows some priests to be married? I'm sure any day now they will afford the same luxury to nuns. Not.

    Seriously. If a Lutheran Minister, who is married, converts to Catholocism, he may stay married.

    They are having a shortage of priests and nuns, so therefore they allow men to stay married. Do they allow women who are married to convert, become nuns and stay married? Of course not.
    So start your own religion. Gheeze, what is it with libs that they feel that they have to meddle with everything to suit them, even if they have no intention of living by their own dictates?


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Fine. Then let the government pay for it. To require individual hospitals and medical personnel to provide the services without compensation merely means that those costs have to be shifted to paying customers. That sort of Robin Hood Socialism is downright fraud, and is a major cause of the cost problem.
    I agree, the government should pay for it. What do you think UHC is all about?

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    Fail. Monopolies (single supplier) and monopsonies (single buyer) are the absence of competition, and both are a Bad Thing. Even a nominally virtuous idea fails quickly if there is no competition to keep it in the real world. When the government decides what insurance policies must cover, and what drugs and procedures may be used, the government becomes no better than a private monopoly.
    I agree, monopolies are a bad thing, which is why no capitalist system can be without regulation.

    The government shouldn't be a customer. We need a basic UHC to cover things like an annual check-up, broken bones, flu shots, emergency treatment and/or operations, and etc. The insurance companies should not be involved at all in these very basic services. After that if you want more coverage then knock yourself out. I'm sure Kaiser et al will be happy to take your money.

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    Like GSA execs, for example?

    Do you include the KGB, SS and Stasi in your thinking?
    Like Mozilo and Madoff, for example?

    Do you include Enron, Countrywide, and Chevron in yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    And it's amazing to me how some people can place all their faith in the good offices of the government, even after a visit to the DMV.
    It's amazing to me how some people can place all their faith business with Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Bank of America apparently carrying on like Oct 2008 never happened.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's amazing to me how some people can place all their faith business with Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Bank of America apparently carrying on like Oct 2008 never happened.
    The same thing can be said about the government, for the very same event.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In the first bolded statement you make the assumption that the poor being with us always, invites the premise that people should be forced to take care of them. In the second bolded statement you are half right, bureaucrats are paid to serve the public (generally). The problem with your philosophy on the public good is that you feel that everyone thinks that the solution is always to be found through a government mandate, and most likely though the federal govt. This is not the case. Many conservatives feel that certain things should be mandated by the fed govt, and those are spelled out in the US Constitution. Consequently that leaves all remaining things up to other methods of solution, that is state and local govts; and last but not least, private contracts/relationships/agreements (i.e., non-govt).
    The latter is the preferred method.
    If you wish to use the latter, YOUR preferred, method then by all means do so. That can be accomplished even now, so why don't you get it done - instead of just talking about it - and save the rest of us some money? Any benefits you give to the poor can be reported as income (for them) and their public allotment will be adjusted downward accordingly. If you give them enough then Uncle Sam won't give them any. The rest of us taxpayers would be more than happy to see less government money spent on the poor - so you just jump on that whenever you'd like.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    The same thing can be said about the government, for the very same event.
    It's not from lack of trying. Bills have been entroduced to change things. Why don't you write your Congressmen and bitch? I did.


    On the other hand, I doubt Goldman would even open your e-mail or letter.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We'll have to agree to disagree on this. I see it as governmental bullying plain and simple. Clearly, yourself and other libs have no regard for religious freedom, so you see it as a simple business decision. What ever you tell yourself to get through the night is not my concern. You think I am wrong, and I conversely think you are, but the fact of the matter is that BC is relatively cheap enough for people to afford already, it doesn't need to be forced through insurance coverage.

    The other fact of this is that it is an election year distraction that is designed to take the attention off the failure of the Obama first term. And that is easy enough to see.

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    J, like many, you see what you want to see. You missed a lot under Bush because you didn't want to see it. I wish this ability to see clearly was limited to just you, or even just republicans. It isn't, sadly. However, such inability to recognize what the issue really is, selectively, hinders a lot today. Speaking for myself, I'm all for religious freedom. If anyone starts telling cleregy, churches, even believers that they have to use BC, I'll stand with you. But that has to actually happen, and not be mere hyperbolic fear mongering that misses the actual issue.

    BTW, if it is a distraction, quit being distracted. It really is that simple. Keep pretending this matters, and you play into what you THINK is his plan. Who does that make the fool?

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    It's not from lack of trying. Bills have been entroduced to change things. Why don't you write your Congressmen and bitch? I did.


    On the other hand, I doubt Goldman would even open your e-mail or letter.

    It is that shift to a heavy handed, redistributive model that are abhorrent to Americans. Can't you see that? American's don't want nanny statists to take care of their needs, they want the ability to take care of themselves.


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, like many, you see what you want to see. You missed a lot under Bush because you didn't want to see it. I wish this ability to see clearly was limited to just you, or even just republicans. It isn't, sadly. However, such inability to recognize what the issue really is, selectively, hinders a lot today. Speaking for myself, I'm all for religious freedom. If anyone starts telling cleregy, churches, even believers that they have to use BC, I'll stand with you. But that has to actually happen, and not be mere hyperbolic fear mongering that misses the actual issue.

    Bull!

    BTW, if it is a distraction, quit being distracted. It really is that simple. Keep pretending this matters, and you play into what you THINK is his plan. Who does that make the fool?
    Why should I care what some pseudo intellectual BS artist thinks? Hint...I don't Joe...


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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is that shift to a heavy handed, redistributive model that are abhorrent to Americans. Can't you see that? American's don't want nanny statists to take care of their needs, they want the ability to take care of themselves.
    I'm not sure to what that is in reference.

    I don't see where government telling the banks they have to split off into investment and savings banks - as they were for sixty years prior to 2000 - is a problem for anyone except the banks.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Bull!



    Why should I care what some pseudo intellectual BS artist thinks? Hint...I don't Joe...


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    Never thought you did, but that doesn't change the turth j. I spoke the truth to you, what you do with it is up to you.

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