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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    You might want to investigate more. I don't see it as my job to derail this threat too much and educate on this subject. But finding the information isn't hard. As your here, I believe you must be computer literate. And as you live somewhere, there whould be some Catholics never you doing a lot of work.
    Im not talking about catholic people im talking about the church itself and its priests. What have they done except rape little boys and tell african condoms make the HIV problem worse?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Im not talking about catholic people im talking about the church itself and its priests. What have they done except rape little boys and tell african condoms make the HIV problem worse?
    It doesn't matter. They are a community and you talk about one without the other in terms of the good and bad the CHURCH has done. The people are the CHURCH.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    Health care costs (and health insurance costs) have been rising rapidly for the last 50 years, neatly tracking with the additional burdens of government regulation and mandates. Every time the government makes something "free" the cost goes up.
    Don't jerk me around on this issue. I was around before hospitals were required to take ER patients. I remember what it was like and I don't want to go back. I think if everyone saw people left in ER parking lots bleeding to death or their guts hanging out they would probably feel the same way.

    I could also point out that many other countries have managed to control costs. How did they manage to do that when we can't? Fewer regulations? Less government interference? LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Government programs never solve social problems, they only guarantee that those problems will continue. After all, if they did solve the problem, the bureaucrats would be out of work.
    That's because all social problems are inherent to the human animal. Even Christ said "The poor you will always have with you". Even if you're not Christian you must realize that this was written down millenia ago and that nothing has changed about the human animal in all that time. Why is it you can't see this? Why is it that you think government, or at least society as a whole - however you see that expressed - isn't responsible for these people to some extent? Shouldn't government protect the weak, lame, sick, very young, and very old? Shouldn't it be the vehicle whereby we protect ourselves from things that can bring us harm?

    ((And I'm not talking about those that don't want to work. Obviously most people DO want to work because there have been times when our unemployment was down to 4% and the businessmen hated every month of it!.))

    I'd bet most people that work at helping the poor would give up their job if they could eliminate poverty completely and for all time. Ditto for those that help the handicapped (eliminate the medical problem) and diseased (eliminate the disease) and so on. If you wouldn't do the same that says more about YOU and your social conscious than it does about bureaucrats.

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    Absolutely. The only cure for that is competition. Just look at how much money the property owners in Wisconsin are saving now that the school districts can buy health insurance from someplace besides the teachers union trust.
    Sorry. The only logical result of full de-regulation and an open market is monopolies. A capitalist system has to have regulation just as every good engine needs a governor. Without it the engine runs wild, out of control, and blows up.

    As for WI, only people like you would project results from thin air. Did you get that off Walker's website???
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    Your apparent belief - that everyone in private business is greedy, selfish and downright evil, while all bureaucrats are saintly and selfless public employees dedicated to serving the public interest - is nothing sort of astonishing.
    I never claimed they were evil - only you and your kind use that kind of stupid language, ignorance at it's finest! I wouldn't call a capitalist evil any more than I would call a cheetah running down a gazelle evil.

    Greedy and selfish, sure - it's what capitalism is all about! If you don't understand this or can't face the harsh reality of it then I suggest you ditch the green colored glasses and try again. Capitalism is fueled by greed and selfishness and it's why it works as well as it does. Business's ONLY goal is to make money. If a business isn't operating this way then someone should be fired.

    Bureaucrats are paid to be impartial and serve the public. They're not saints but many do like helping others for whatever reason. For others it's just a job that usually pays less than private but has fewer office politics and more job security. Ask the police and fire fighters why they're there. It's the same for most public servants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Good luck when you take your turn before the Death Panels.
    It's amazing the bull**** some people will eat. You can always bow before your insurance company Gods and ask for insurance against the Death Panels. All good capitalists are money whores, they'll take the bet.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Those that want the Catholic hospitals to "give over and give in" to the gov't, also want the hospitals to continue to operate.
    Let 'em shut their doors - or rather, simply stop taking government money. That's their call and they're welcome to take that course if they want.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    They will not shut the doors over this. Silly to think they will, especially with the majority of Catholics in favor of BC.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They will not shut the doors over this. Silly to think they will, especially with the majority of Catholics in favor of BC.
    I have to admit, most of the Catholic couples I know use some form of birth control.

    I wouldn't count on the rank and file Catholics to back their church on this. And this comes from someone who is not a fan of ObamaCare (or RomneyCare for that matter).

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    Although individual catholics may do a great many things against church doctrine, that does not church policy make. This is about government forcing the church to ignore its own doctrine, not individuals. Funny how that separation thing only goes one way for libs...like everything libs are one way only.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    Shame on them indeed. They cover viagra but won't cover contraception for women. I think the catholic church is just being antiwomen.
    You are so RIGHT!!!!
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Im not talking about catholic people im talking about the church itself and its priests. What have they done except rape little boys and tell african condoms make the HIV problem worse?
    I agree! HYPOCRITES.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although individual catholics may do a great many things against church doctrine, that does not church policy make. This is about government forcing the church to ignore its own doctrine, not individuals. Funny how that separation thing only goes one way for libs...like everything libs are one way only.

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    NO, it isn't. It has nothing to do with the Church. It has to with insurance, and people who are not clergy working at places that are not churches. They don't qualify to be seen different than anyone else. I'm sorry j, but you're wrong as to what this is about. There is no seroaration of hospitals and state. No separation of schools and state. That does not exist.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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