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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, a hospital is a hospital. There is no preaching. Doctors are not clergy and nurses are not nuns. In fact, a number of those who work there don't even hold that particular faith, and a smaller number don't believe at all. It is a hospital.
    But that doesn't really matter on the issue being discussed. Should a hospital be obligated to provide services or insurance coverage for all things which are legal procedures, regardless of whether or not the hospital is church-owned? Should I, as an RN, be obligated to work in an environment where abortions are provided, when I believe they are morally wrong? Should I be obligated to pull the plug on a ventilated patient if I am opposed to passive euthanasia (which I am not, btw)?

    Hospitals provide services for customers. These services may include those which some customers may be morally opposed to, or they may not provide some services that some customers desire. This doesn't mean that government-funded health insurance should be withheld, based solely on services which may or may not be provided.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    But that doesn't really matter on the issue being discussed. Should a hospital be obligated to provide services or insurance coverage for all things which are legal procedures, regardless of whether or not the hospital is church-owned? Should I, as an RN, be obligated to work in an environment where abortions are provided, when I believe they are morally wrong? Should I be obligated to pull the plug on a ventilated patient if I am opposed to passive euthanasia (which I am not, btw)?

    Hospitals provide services for customers. These services may include those which some customers may be morally opposed to, or they may not provide some services that some customers desire. This doesn't mean that government-funded health insurance should be withheld, based solely on services which may or may not be provided.
    I can't make you be a nurse. Nor can I make anyone perform an abortion. But there are those who do, and they are available.

    It's kind of like the pharmacist who doesn't want to fill prescriptions. If you're morally opposed, don't take the job.

    However, abortion isn't what we're talking about. No one is being forced to have an abortion or even to give an abortion. The issue here is insurance coverage covering BC. This is reasonable. And shame on the church for even being against it.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can't make you be a nurse. Nor can I make anyone perform an abortion. But there are those who do, and they are available.

    It's kind of like the pharmacist who doesn't want to fill prescriptions. If you're morally opposed, don't take the job.

    However, abortion isn't what we're talking about. No one is being forced to have an abortion or even to give an abortion. The issue here is insurance coverage covering BC. This is reasonable. And shame on the church for even being against it.
    Not shame on them for being against it. Their moral code is every bit as reasonable as your own, just based on a different perception of values.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Your beliefs about health care says neither option should exist at all. That leads me to conclude that any opinion you may voice is complete fiction on your part.
    Why would you suggest that my viewpoint on this is complete fiction? The idea that the Government has no place getting involved in the healthcare industry is not one held only by me. Health services are a PERSONAL and PRIVATE matter. They are not something the Government has any Constitutional mandate to be involved in at all.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    If you provide health care in this nation, you will be subject to government regulation. Maybe not at the same level as a full-on hospital but nevertheless - regulations.
    Which is probably part of why I would never be involved in the healthcare field and why I do my damndest to stay away from hospitals, doctors, etc... as much as possible.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Why would you suggest that my viewpoint on this is complete fiction? The idea that the Government has no place getting involved in the healthcare industry is not one held only by me. Health services are a PERSONAL and PRIVATE matter. They are not something the Government has any Constitutional mandate to be involved in at all.
    LOL! You just confirmed what I said, thank you.

    Since you believe the government should not be involved in any way with health care then this entire discussion is beyond your purview. Regardless of which side one takes in this discussion, the government or the Church, one is still talking about government and health care - of which you have no opinion. Like I said, you can't talk about shades of red if you can't see any red at all. To you there is no issue - it's ALL completely wrong.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Personally, I wish the Church WOULD bet out of the Hospital business...they corrupt Medicine. If they run a hospital, I am paying them every time someone on Medicaid/Medicare steps through the door, and the Federal Government is quite obviously subsidizing said Hospital as they do for most.
    If the Catholic Church wishes to ignore federal law...it will need to stop accepting Federal funds and turn the Hospital into a Church.
    They cannot have it both ways...that is unfair, and unconstitutional.
    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Corrupt medicine? In what way? They provide a service, just as any other medical facility does. Should they be required to provide abortion services, solely because it's legal?
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    If they want government money then they need to leave the Bible at the door.

    It seems to me that what we have here is a very clear case of government corrupting medicine, with attempts to put the blame on a religious organization for this corruption.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It seems to me that what we have here is a very clear case of government corrupting medicine, with attempts to put the blame on a religious organization for this corruption.
    We all know that you and your kind would rather us all be held hostage by the insurance industry.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It seems to me that what we have here is a very clear case of government corrupting medicine, with attempts to put the blame on a religious organization for this corruption.
    Very well said. That's the problem in a nutshell.

    From Wiki's definition of Ressentiment:
    Ressentiment is a reassignment of the pain that accompanies a sense of one's own inferiority/failure onto an external scapegoat. The ego creates the illusion of an enemy, a cause that can be "blamed" for one's own inferiority/failure. Thus, one was thwarted not by a failure in oneself, but rather by an external "evil."
    There is a lot of that coming from the left on this issue.
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