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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If Medicare or any other government agency is writing out a check that has Catholic Church of XXX then I'd say that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.
    Do you concede that a check made out to Notre Dame Health Services or St. Paul Hospital is not an attempt to establish a religion (as forbidden by the Constitution) as long as that check is payment for services to persons covered under Medicare or Medicaid?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you're out of the discussion as far as I'm concerned. Your opinion is noted.
    So because I do not simply allow the Government to continue picking my pocket in order to pay for UnConstitutional expenditures my opinion on this topic is not worthy of being heard? Interesting.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Does a church owned hospital pay taxes?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Does a church owned hospital pay taxes?
    They certainly shouldn't. No business enterprise ever pays taxies; they merely collect the taxes from their customers. The Obamacare provision to add another tax on medical devices is merely taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other pocket (less a rake off for the President's friends and supporters).
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    They certainly shouldn't. No business enterprise ever pays taxies; they merely collect the taxes from their customers. The Obamacare provision to add another tax on medical devices is merely taking money out of one pocket and putting it into the other pocket (less a rake off for the President's friends and supporters).
    Do they pay income tax, excise tax or employment taxes?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    I think catholics should be sued for the holocaust, crusades, inquisition, and pedophilia.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Do you concede that a check made out to Notre Dame Health Services or St. Paul Hospital is not an attempt to establish a religion (as forbidden by the Constitution) as long as that check is payment for services to persons covered under Medicare or Medicaid?
    You tell me if they're a Church or a non-profit organization and I'll answer your question. Please note that if they're a non-profit organization then any reference to "Church" or "religion" does not apply and no special compensations, rules, laws, or exceptions will be allowed on those grounds.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    So because I do not simply allow the Government to continue picking my pocket in order to pay for UnConstitutional expenditures my opinion on this topic is not worthy of being heard? Interesting.
    If I'm colorblind and can't see the red part of the spectrum then any opinion I have on whether something is brick red or blood red is pretty inconsequential, isn't it?!?

    Your beliefs about health care says neither option should exist at all.
    That leads me to conclude that any opinion you may voice is complete fiction on your part.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I think catholics should be sued for the holocaust, crusades, inquisition, and pedophilia.
    Well, if you're around long enough, you're going to have some warts. However, while I agree they should be held accountable for the pedophilia today, we should also not forget along with those warts are some genuine good deeds. Criticize where criticism is due. And praise where praise is due.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I disagree, Boo. If the government truly steps up and suggests that these Christian Churches (they're not all Catholic) have to either divorce themselves from the teachings of tee Faith that runs them or shut their doors I truly believe that you will see AT LEAST 60% of them shut their doors. At least long enough to re-license themselves as clinics or other PRIVATE CARE facilities that would not be subject to the Government regulations.

    If you provide health care in this nation, you will be subject to government regulation. Maybe not at the same level as a full-on hospital but nevertheless - regulations.


    Here is Florida we have had way too many of these "private clinics" caught committing various crimes and medical malpractice. No matter the profession, there will always be some sociopaths who will take advantage of others.
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