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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah - it's really horrible how all those moochers and sinners have their lives improved and/or saved by the government ...
    To a certain degree, YES it is.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    To a certain degree, YES it is.

    thank you for showing your 'humanity'
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yeah - it's really horrible how all those moochers and sinners have their lives improved and/or saved by the government ...
    At the expense of someone else.

    Lives are also improved and/or saved by organizations other than government ...
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    thank you for showing your 'humanity'
    There is no obligation to humanity.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    This little tantrum is based on the assumption that those who do not want to fund care they morally object, are the same people that support foreign wars, or FAA or whatever and are forcing others to fund that which they morally object.

    I don't want any of that other things either.

    When the answer is tough ****, it means there is no good logic reason behind it.
    Everyone is forced to fund things they don't like or don't 'approve' or don't use. That's just the way it is. The reason for not liking it or not approving of it or not using it is irrelevant. We're forced to do what we don't want because the whole of society in some way benefits whether we do individually or not.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    thank you for showing your 'humanity'
    I've never claimed to have any. So far as I'm concerned the human species has no more value than the cockroach or plague rat at this point in history.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Everyone is forced to fund things they don't like or don't 'approve' or don't use. That's just the way it is. The reason for not liking it or not approving of it or not using it is irrelevant. We're forced to do what we don't want because the whole of society in some way benefits whether we do individually or not.
    Just the way it is, does not mean the way it has to be. I do not see society benefiting.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Church is not a religion. It is a religious institution. Just as the Catholic hospital is.
    Then the government shouldn't be giving them money of any kind. Uncle Sam doesn't Tithe.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Just the way it is, does not mean the way it has to be. I do not see society benefiting.
    Many don't see the benefit of a $800 billion/year military either. Should we give all those people their tax money back at the end of the year? Just fill out form IRS-NoMil and get a refund?!?
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    At the expense of someone else.
    Would you prefer living in a world where it was everyone for their own self and family? You know - the way it was before there was anything known as 'society'

    Lives are also improved and/or saved by organizations other than government ...
    Agreed but it does not negate the fact that many have been saved, helped and educated by government. The fact that there are charitable organisations doing good deeds does not mean the government can't also do good deeds. Having both is better for society than having only one or the other.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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