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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    What? You think your FICA payments would stop? Hahahaha! But, hey, you don't have to use the Medicare card.
    That's the problem.... Those of us who have decent morals should not be forced to pay for the care of those who do not.

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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

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    If the government is going to provide money to or on behalf of individuals for their health care (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid), those individuals should be able to choose their own health care provider. I'm not aware of government providing money directly to the church like they do to Planned Parenthood.
    If Medicare or any other government agency is writing out a check that has Catholic Church of XXX then I'd say that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    What? You think your FICA payments would stop? Hahahaha! But, hey, you don't have to use the Medicare card.
    Consent of the government my ass.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If Medicare or any other government agency is writing out a check that has Catholic Church of XXX then I'd say that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.
    Except there is no separation of Church and State.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Except there is no separation of Church and State.
    Well, yeah, there is. The state has no business funding a religion, any religion. However, a hosptial is not a church. So, no such violation comes in when paying for health care at a Catholic hospital.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's the problem.... Those of us who have decent morals should not be forced to pay for the care of those who do not.
    Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

    I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

    We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and we're all told - "Tough ****!"
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

    I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

    We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and that's just the way it is - "Tough ****!"
    This little tantrum is based on the assumption that those who do not want to fund care they morally object, are the same people that support foreign wars, or FAA or whatever and are forcing others to fund that which they morally object.

    I don't want any of that other things either.

    When the answer is tough ****, it means there is no good logic reason behind it.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, yeah, there is. The state has no business funding a religion, any religion. However, a hosptial is not a church. So, no such violation comes in when paying for health care at a Catholic hospital.
    Church is not a religion. It is a religious institution. Just as the Catholic hospital is.
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    That is a shame.

    Yeah - it's really horrible how all those moochers and sinners have their lives improved and/or saved by the government ...
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    Re: Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

    I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

    We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and that's just the way it is - "Tough ****!"
    Mo, what you're missing here is that certain items have a Constitutional Mandate. That means the Federal Government is allowed to legislate or make decisions about them by Constitutional Authority. However, medical care is not ANY of those things.

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